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Really? I've read several articles from the DIR leadership. They talk a lot about their basic equipment philosophy and rarely give credit where credit is due...to Bill Main. That may be because in the early years Bill M. disagreed with GI3's very narrow view of diving practices and ended his relationship with the group. I get the feeling that GI3 isn't all that understanding about such things.;)


I'm feel confident that I did provide correct information. The reg necklace was not an original DIR concept. I simply made the point that Bill Hogarth Main came up with the Hogarthian equipment concepts...not GI3, JJ or any of the other "founders" of DIR. Otherwise, I suppose we'd call it Georgian or something similar. I am quite sure that had GI3 come up with the equpment ideas himself he would have most certainly taken the credit.:D

Evolution of DIR Principles
Jarrod Jablonski, GUE Founder and President
The history of underwater exploration is filled with striking personalities and noteworthy actions. However, with the emergence of scuba diving, underwater exploration took on a new form. Initially driven by commercial and military interests, underwater exploration with scuba would later grow to include recreational divers, who embraced underwater exploration as their life's passion and who sought to develop the best tools possible to complement their exploration needs. While the sport was in its infancy, and choices were limited, these divers did not vary greatly in terms of their equipment and configuration. Furthermore, given that training options at the time were also limited, these divers also shared very similar techniques.

As more people took up scuba diving, however, variation in equipment, training, and equipment configuration grew. With ever-growing numbers of people finding pleasure in open water, no decompression diving, came a collective identity reflecting the interests of its participants-recreational diving. An entire industry would soon follow to serve these interests. Concurrently, another identity would take shape, one tied to a group of divers, some coming from within recreational diving, some from without, that pushed the limits of recreational diving, by committing themselves to the exploration of increasingly more demanding environments; e.g., ice, caves and deep wrecks. Over time, these two groups would diverge and each would follow its own trajectory. The somewhat vague (in part arbitrary) categories of "technical" and "recreational" diving were set up to describe these two trajectories.

Given the different orientations of recreational and technical divers, it should come as no surprise that different training practices, equipment choices, and configurations would emerge to answer to the wants of each. The evolving idea of what it meant to be "recreational" led to some divergence regarding what one needed to know to remain safe during dives of minimal difficulty. Therefore, dive training tended to become shorter, with minimal treatment of topics such as gas planning, breathing gas concerns, decompression and crisis management. Likewise, this shift led to greater variation with respect to equipment choices and to how this equipment would be configured. However, the needs of technical diving required generally greater knowledge of these areas, more precision, more attention to detail, refined skills, practiced crisis management, a sound configuration, and well-crafted and well-maintained equipment. Conventions foreign to the recreational diving community, such as the "thirds rule," the use of a long hose, and the use of a redundant regulator, emerged expressly to address the needs of the technical diver. However, in time, it became apparent that the more precision and the more proficiency that were required to pursue eXploration-level technical diving, the more need there was for a unified system. This is because it was impractical, if not impossible, to operate efficiently as a team if individuals were not functioning under a common set of constraints.

Regardless of environment, there exists substantial variation among divers with respect both to the value they place upon efficiency and to how intensively they seek to extend the limits of their diving practice. I would argue that what position divers take on issues of efficiency is largely tied to the nature of their diving. For instance, it is clear why early divers did not consider the need for standardization urgent. This is because their diving was less aggressive and, thus, less likely to call attention to the value of efficiency. However, as diving becomes more aggressive and more complex, the benefits of precision and efficiency become progressively more obvious; individuals undertaking such dives quickly realize the benefit of standardizing nearly all aspects of their diving to make it more efficient. So, when evaluating different equipment configurations -- from those used in the early days of underwater exploration, to those representing general Hogarthian ideas, to the evolving principles of Doing It Right-it would be useful to keep in mind the ties linking efficiency to complexity.

As a greater number of divers (both recreational and technical) discover the value of efficiency as a means of improving the quality of their diving, standardization, in both training and equipment, seems the likely future of diving practice.

The public first became aware of the movement toward standardization, and of its value, when the Hogarthian diving system became popular. This scheme was composed of a rough set of ideas and equipment recommendations that served as useful standards for measuring desirable aspects of diving configurations. Cultivated by a small collective of cave eXplorers -- e.g., Bill Gavin, William "Hogarth" Main, Lamar English, George Irvine and myself -- the idea behind this "system" was that there were preferred methods of configuring equipment, and that these methods had a profound effect upon diving efficiency. Bill Main invested considerable time seeking the most streamlined configuration possible, which resulted in his middle name being chosen to represent the overall "system."

Though useful, the Hogarthian system did not require the use of a specific piece of equipment or a particular configuration. Therefore, it did not provide divers with an objective diving standard that would ensure efficiency in the water and was thus limited in its utility. However, by promoting the idea that a careful selection of equipment and configuration could substantially impact the success of a dive, Hogarthianism introduced a dynamic, new paradigm to divers and encouraged them to seek improvement through minimalism and streamlining. Armed with this new perspective, many divers (myself and the above explorers included) sought to assemble the most efficient equipment configuration possible, often sharing our findings with the public at large.

Rather than provide divers with an objective standard to assemble their configuration, Hogarthianism offers a loosely knitted set of ideas that, in the interest of diver efficiency, promotes an ethos of careful gear selection. However, this lack of an objective standard does not permit divers to understand what exactly constitutes a Hogarthian diving configuration; instead this "system" varies according to how different advocates of Hogarthian diving see the links tying together equipment, streamlining and efficiency. This disparity of opinion, along with Hogarthianism's singular emphasis on equipment (versus general diving practice) has led to considerable confusion among the diving public (it is extremely difficult to standardize, in both theory and practice, what, in all respects, is largely subjective in nature). Eventually it became clear that both a more complete system and greater standardization were needed; to be as useful as possible, the components of the system would need to be objectively arrived at and standardized. George Irvine and I, having worked extensively with the Hogarthian system, and having written extensively about it, worked toward this new paradigm. This new paradigm emerged as Doing It Right or DIR.

As the first holistic diving system ever crafted, Doing It Right began to gain significant popularity in the mid-1990s; a key component of its success was the detail and care that guided its growth. By adhering firmly to standardization, DIR initially faced opposition from diving quarters that saw the loss of "personal preference" as a notable sacrifice. Even so, with the gradual recognition that it is impossible for a team of divers to be efficient in the water without notable uniformity in equipment, training and configuration, opposition began to erode and today continues to erode. This is because divers have begun to realize that in terms of wasted energy and effort there is a significant penalty for stubbornly seeking to maintain an individual "style." Why reinvent the wheel alone when there is a proven system that ensures safety, efficiency and success in the water?

Because DIR's insistence on standardization is frequently misunderstood, it sometimes becomes a source of tension among divers. This is because some see the insistence on uniformity as an indictment of practices that do not abide by DIR principles. However, there is nothing essentially hostile or critical about DIR; in its most basic form, it is ultimately pragmatic, promoting the concept of uniformity within and among teams of divers. However, to be fair, there is a certain degree of legitimate tension generated by imprudent advocates ofDIR, who, having personally benefited from the system, take it upon them to become almost evangelical in the promotion of what they understand to be its tenets. However, this is not an intrinsic weakness of DIR; all successful movements have their zealots.

DIR, by crafting a set of objective standards meant to regulate diving practice, triggered a paradigm shift in diving, one that will forever modifY the way that divers evaluate their diving. It is now part of our ethos to believe that divers acting cohesively and with shared purpose are more efficient. Nonetheless, considering standardization in isolation is unfair to the system's holistic approach.

As a well-defined, standardized system, DIR was designed to maximize efficiency across multiple environments in order to promote safety and fun.

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The rest can be read from the link. Credit was givin where credit was due. You can say "GI3 this and GI3 that..." all day long, but when it comes down to it, he is not affiliated with GUE or the WKPP any longer and hasn't been for at least 4 years. Instead of holding on to the things that a single individual said 10 years ago, why don't you look at what the group as a collective is saying now.
 
REI - 3/8" Shock Cord - Black

Nice soft stuff, very comfortable and plenty easy to pull off when used properly. I too like to melt the ends carefully with a torch and use the zip tie as a keeper without knotting the ends. This makes for an easy tear off in an emergency. The Kool-Aid is just fine...
 
I'm not sure what your point is...other than being defensive. Thank you for providing one of the "rare instances" I mentioned. :D Check some of your peers' descriptions of their equipment and you'll find several who refer to it as DIR rather than what it really is...Hogarthian.

You fellows are such a sensitive lot. All I pointed out was that DIR divers' gear configuration is Hogarthian, not DIR. Would you argue that as well? ;)

Evolution of DIR Principles
Jarrod Jablonski, GUE Founder and President
The history of underwater exploration is filled with striking personalities and noteworthy actions. However, with the emergence of scuba diving, underwater exploration took on a new form. Initially driven by commercial and military interests, underwater exploration with scuba would later grow to include recreational divers, who embraced underwater exploration as their life's passion and who sought to develop the best tools possible to complement their exploration needs. While the sport was in its infancy, and choices were limited, these divers did not vary greatly in terms of their equipment and configuration. Furthermore, given that training options at the time were also limited, these divers also shared very similar techniques.

As more people took up scuba diving, however, variation in equipment, training, and equipment configuration grew. With ever-growing numbers of people finding pleasure in open water, no decompression diving, came a collective identity reflecting the interests of its participants-recreational diving. An entire industry would soon follow to serve these interests. Concurrently, another identity would take shape, one tied to a group of divers, some coming from within recreational diving, some from without, that pushed the limits of recreational diving, by committing themselves to the exploration of increasingly more demanding environments; e.g., ice, caves and deep wrecks. Over time, these two groups would diverge and each would follow its own trajectory. The somewhat vague (in part arbitrary) categories of "technical" and "recreational" diving were set up to describe these two trajectories.

Given the different orientations of recreational and technical divers, it should come as no surprise that different training practices, equipment choices, and configurations would emerge to answer to the wants of each. The evolving idea of what it meant to be "recreational" led to some divergence regarding what one needed to know to remain safe during dives of minimal difficulty. Therefore, dive training tended to become shorter, with minimal treatment of topics such as gas planning, breathing gas concerns, decompression and crisis management. Likewise, this shift led to greater variation with respect to equipment choices and to how this equipment would be configured. However, the needs of technical diving required generally greater knowledge of these areas, more precision, more attention to detail, refined skills, practiced crisis management, a sound configuration, and well-crafted and well-maintained equipment. Conventions foreign to the recreational diving community, such as the "thirds rule," the use of a long hose, and the use of a redundant regulator, emerged expressly to address the needs of the technical diver. However, in time, it became apparent that the more precision and the more proficiency that were required to pursue eXploration-level technical diving, the more need there was for a unified system. This is because it was impractical, if not impossible, to operate efficiently as a team if individuals were not functioning under a common set of constraints.

Regardless of environment, there exists substantial variation among divers with respect both to the value they place upon efficiency and to how intensively they seek to extend the limits of their diving practice. I would argue that what position divers take on issues of efficiency is largely tied to the nature of their diving. For instance, it is clear why early divers did not consider the need for standardization urgent. This is because their diving was less aggressive and, thus, less likely to call attention to the value of efficiency. However, as diving becomes more aggressive and more complex, the benefits of precision and efficiency become progressively more obvious; individuals undertaking such dives quickly realize the benefit of standardizing nearly all aspects of their diving to make it more efficient. So, when evaluating different equipment configurations -- from those used in the early days of underwater exploration, to those representing general Hogarthian ideas, to the evolving principles of Doing It Right-it would be useful to keep in mind the ties linking efficiency to complexity.

As a greater number of divers (both recreational and technical) discover the value of efficiency as a means of improving the quality of their diving, standardization, in both training and equipment, seems the likely future of diving practice.

The public first became aware of the movement toward standardization, and of its value, when the Hogarthian diving system became popular. This scheme was composed of a rough set of ideas and equipment recommendations that served as useful standards for measuring desirable aspects of diving configurations. Cultivated by a small collective of cave eXplorers -- e.g., Bill Gavin, William "Hogarth" Main, Lamar English, George Irvine and myself -- the idea behind this "system" was that there were preferred methods of configuring equipment, and that these methods had a profound effect upon diving efficiency. Bill Main invested considerable time seeking the most streamlined configuration possible, which resulted in his middle name being chosen to represent the overall "system."

Though useful, the Hogarthian system did not require the use of a specific piece of equipment or a particular configuration. Therefore, it did not provide divers with an objective diving standard that would ensure efficiency in the water and was thus limited in its utility. However, by promoting the idea that a careful selection of equipment and configuration could substantially impact the success of a dive, Hogarthianism introduced a dynamic, new paradigm to divers and encouraged them to seek improvement through minimalism and streamlining. Armed with this new perspective, many divers (myself and the above explorers included) sought to assemble the most efficient equipment configuration possible, often sharing our findings with the public at large.

Rather than provide divers with an objective standard to assemble their configuration, Hogarthianism offers a loosely knitted set of ideas that, in the interest of diver efficiency, promotes an ethos of careful gear selection. However, this lack of an objective standard does not permit divers to understand what exactly constitutes a Hogarthian diving configuration; instead this "system" varies according to how different advocates of Hogarthian diving see the links tying together equipment, streamlining and efficiency. This disparity of opinion, along with Hogarthianism's singular emphasis on equipment (versus general diving practice) has led to considerable confusion among the diving public (it is extremely difficult to standardize, in both theory and practice, what, in all respects, is largely subjective in nature). Eventually it became clear that both a more complete system and greater standardization were needed; to be as useful as possible, the components of the system would need to be objectively arrived at and standardized. George Irvine and I, having worked extensively with the Hogarthian system, and having written extensively about it, worked toward this new paradigm. This new paradigm emerged as Doing It Right or DIR.

As the first holistic diving system ever crafted, Doing It Right began to gain significant popularity in the mid-1990s; a key component of its success was the detail and care that guided its growth. By adhering firmly to standardization, DIR initially faced opposition from diving quarters that saw the loss of "personal preference" as a notable sacrifice. Even so, with the gradual recognition that it is impossible for a team of divers to be efficient in the water without notable uniformity in equipment, training and configuration, opposition began to erode and today continues to erode. This is because divers have begun to realize that in terms of wasted energy and effort there is a significant penalty for stubbornly seeking to maintain an individual "style." Why reinvent the wheel alone when there is a proven system that ensures safety, efficiency and success in the water?

Because DIR's insistence on standardization is frequently misunderstood, it sometimes becomes a source of tension among divers. This is because some see the insistence on uniformity as an indictment of practices that do not abide by DIR principles. However, there is nothing essentially hostile or critical about DIR; in its most basic form, it is ultimately pragmatic, promoting the concept of uniformity within and among teams of divers. However, to be fair, there is a certain degree of legitimate tension generated by imprudent advocates ofDIR, who, having personally benefited from the system, take it upon them to become almost evangelical in the promotion of what they understand to be its tenets. However, this is not an intrinsic weakness of DIR; all successful movements have their zealots.

DIR, by crafting a set of objective standards meant to regulate diving practice, triggered a paradigm shift in diving, one that will forever modifY the way that divers evaluate their diving. It is now part of our ethos to believe that divers acting cohesively and with shared purpose are more efficient. Nonetheless, considering standardization in isolation is unfair to the system's holistic approach.

As a well-defined, standardized system, DIR was designed to maximize efficiency across multiple environments in order to promote safety and fun.

--------
The rest can be read from the link. Credit was givin where credit was due. You can say "GI3 this and GI3 that..." all day long, but when it comes down to it, he is not affiliated with GUE or the WKPP any longer and hasn't been for at least 4 years. Instead of holding on to the things that a single individual said 10 years ago, why don't you look at what the group as a collective is saying now.
 
All of the sudden, I am starting to love this thread! K-Valve, I am with you dude!

I still don't understand why the DIR'ers patrol the whole of Scubaboard looking for disparaging comments. I don't patrol the board looking for disparaging comments against PADI. But then again, I recognize the limitations of PADI for what they are. Just seems logical and intelligent to me. Go figure.
 
my necklace is tied on to my reg. it has a type of knot that loosens off very easy. About it ever chocking me, could happen but I pulled on the original necklace and broke it, I really tugged on it. Just how weak are you DIR wannabes' =)
 
Really? I've read several articles from the DIR leadership. They talk a lot about their basic equipment philosophy and rarely give credit where credit is due...to Bill Main. That may be because in the early years Bill M. disagreed with GI3's very narrow view of diving practices and ended his relationship with the group. I get the feeling that GI3 isn't all that understanding about such things.;)

And from the GUE CAVE 1 Manual:

....."Early in 1980 Bill Main and Bill Gavin met and formed an alliance that would forever change the face of cave diving. This duo joined forces with cave explorer Lamar English, and began extensive explorations of the Tallahassee region, refining the art of deep cave penetration. The quick-and-lean method of cave diving initiated by these early explorers pioneered an all-new way of diving that has become known as Doing it Right (DIR). Incorporating the use of the long hose primary, Main, Gavin, and English developed numerous speedy techniques, and became known as much for their ardent dedication to refinement as for the amazing dives they accomplished. ......."

Makes no mention of GI or JJ.


Then why bother posting? I'm not anti-DIR. I do get sick and tired of the arrogant DIR crowd that thinks it's their way or nothing. That attitude is flat out wrong and, unfortunately, fairly common (beginning with its founder). It is also why DIR catches as much flack as it does.

I was merely correcting the information that you posted. I am not arrogant and I do not believe it's my way or nothing. I have my preferences as to how I like to dive, but I have never asked you to change anything you do or said that anything you do is wrong. DIR catches so much flack because there are far too many people on both sides who love to argue about something they are largely ignorant of.


I'm feel confident that I did provide correct information. The reg necklace was not an original DIR concept. I simply made the point that Bill Hogarth Main came up with the Hogarthian equipment concepts...not GI3, JJ or any of the other "founders" of DIR. Otherwise, I suppose we'd call it Georgian or something similar. I am quite sure that had GI3 come up with the equipment ideas himself he would have most certainly taken the credit.:D

Lots of people helped to come up with HOG the system. Bill would tell you that himself. The name "Hogarthian" was something that Bills buddies came up with as sort of a friendly ribbing and good natured fun more than a name that they intended to stick.

As far as the Microsoft comparison goes. That is simply my opinion and last I checked I still lived in the USA where I am allowed to express my opinions freely. Of course, I'm not DIR trained. Otherwise I'd keep my mouth shut and walk and talk in lock step with the other DIR brethren. :D

You are free to express your opinion. Furthermore, every one's individual opinion and their knowledge and experience are what make this board a great source of information. Just don't expect to post rubbish without someone correcting you. And to reiterate, I am not saying DIR is right, or that it is wrong, or that your way is right, or that your way is wrong. What I am saying is that GUE does not now nor did they every take credit for inventing the bungeed backup. And your derogatory proclamation that GUE takes credit for things they didn't invent is just a regurgitation of something you heard somewhere and is indicative of your lack of knowledge of the subject.

Maybe this will help you to understand it: GUE did not invent DIR. DIR was born from many efforts and individuals. It evolved over many years and was even heavily influenced by B Main. To say that DIR takes credit for inventing something is like saying that the English language takes credit for writing Moby Dick. It just doesn't make sense. DIR is nothing more than a style of diving that is taught by several agencies and instructors.

I still don't understand why the DIR'ers patrol the whole of Scubaboard looking for disparaging comments. I don't patrol the board looking for disparaging comments against PADI.

There's a button near the top of the screen that shows new posts. I saw a post where it seemed that someone what asking a DIR related question. I read it to see if I could offer some help. As it turns out the question wasn't really a DIR question and the OP got many good replies.

Hunter
 
I'm not sure what your point is...other than being defensive. Thank you for providing one of the "rare instances" I mentioned. :D Check some of your peers' descriptions of their equipment and you'll find several who refer to it as DIR rather than what it really is...Hogarthian.

You fellows are such a sensitive lot. All I pointed out was that DIR divers' gear configuration is Hogarthian, not DIR. Would you argue that as well? ;)

I'm not being defensive at all. I could care less what you think of DIR or DIMWIT or what any other acronym that we could come up with. Regardless, there is some misinformation here and I was trying to clear it up. At the end of the day, it's just diving.

k-valve:
Really? I've read several articles from the DIR leadership. They talk a lot about their basic equipment philosophy and rarely give credit where credit is due...to Bill Main. That may be because in the early years Bill M. disagreed with GI3's very narrow view of diving practices and ended his relationship with the group. I get the feeling that GI3 isn't all that understanding about such things.

Jarrod Jablonski:
...The public first became aware of the movement toward standardization, and of its value, when the Hogarthian diving system became popular. This scheme was composed of a rough set of ideas and equipment recommendations that served as useful standards for measuring desirable aspects of diving configurations. Cultivated by a small collective of cave eXplorers -- e.g., Bill Gavin, William "Hogarth" Main, Lamar English, George Irvine and myself -- the idea behind this "system" was that there were preferred methods of configuring equipment, and that these methods had a profound effect upon diving efficiency. Bill Main invested considerable time seeking the most streamlined configuration possible, which resulted in his middle name being chosen to represent the overall "system." ...

I feel that quote provides proper credit, where credit is due. Do you? I have never read anything from the "DIR leadership" that would suggest otherwise. Could you provide that information?

As coldsmoke/Hunter pointed out, DIR goes beyond just gear configuration. Many people focus on gear, but in all reality, that's not wear the strengths of where DIR lie. It's more of a philosophy of team work, situational awareness, standardized protocols (but not to a point were people are mindless drones as some people would have you believe), and learning to analyze, think, and react as things happen. You could take the gear completely out of the loop and still achieve that. A team of CCR divers out of San Diego have asked Andrew Georgitis to provide them with a "intro to tech" class that will allow them to better incorprorate the UTD/DIR philosophy into their diving. These guys are currently doing 300fsw dives off the coast pretty regularly.
 
I still don't understand why the DIR'ers patrol the whole of Scubaboard looking for disparaging comments.

Especially since they have their own forum "where never is heard a discouraging word, lest the poster be banned for their say".

BTW, when most people exhibit that type of behavior, it's called "trolling".
 
Wow, is this about neckless's?
Man....I just buy that Manta one..
Its black, so it must be DIR or UDT...
It's about the right length, lasts a long time, easy to replace, and
you can rip it right off....
 
I got a big stretchy necklace when I got my regs (long/short hose setup). Now I'd like to be 'more correct' and use a shorter bungee necklace for the backup regulator. Only I'm having no luck finding the small dia bungee chord. I've tried my local Lowes, Tractor Supply and Walmart. All the small chord I've found is already cut and has connectors. Could someone please point me at a specific store? North side of town if possible? Thanks!

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