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No ... I'm fairly certain she received the same sort of PM's that I did ... requesting that we stop responding to your nonsense because it was accomplishing nothing except to hijack the thread.
... we know that ...
Well, actually ... some folks have been kicked off this board for being chronic PADI bashers ... and argumentative when asked to stop disrupting other people's threads. Would you like to receive equal treatment?
Absolutely nothing ... it's all right out there where everyone can see it ... but you have to open your eyes first ...
Unless, of course, she decided to say something positive about her Fundamentals experience ...
What gives you the right to criticize someone else's choice of dive operator? Aldora is a fine outfit for those of us who prefer smaller crowds, larger cylinders, and longer dives. Of course, they're a little more expensive than some others ... but as with most things in life, you get what you pay for.After all, I didn't say anything too negative after you decided to dive with Aldora, even though I definitely disagree with your choice
I believe you have no idea about GUE and DIR just because everything you've posted is wrong ... willfully ignorant people are obvious to everyone except themselves ...
Oh my ... and a legend in your own mind ... classic.
... at last you got something right ...
... Bob (Grateful Diver)
ScubaFeenD
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OMgosh. He was whining about someone choice of dive operator (I thought Aldora was some crazy person the way he was talking about it, not an operator)? Now that is hilarious/pathetic!
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Aldora is what I'd call a "high end" dive operator in Cozumel that tends to attract the more experienced divers ... in that they offer small boats (maximum six divers per boat) and steel 120 CF cylinders for longer, deeper dives. They are more expensive than most Coz ops, but for those who want a dive op that caters to the types of dive they want to do, it's worth the extra coin.
Mossman probably doesn't like them because they do tend to attract the DIR-trained folks ... and unlike most dive ops, they do understand DIR diving configurations and preferences ...
... Bob (Grateful Diver)
ScubaFeenD
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Gotcha. I hadnt heard of them before, but thanks for bringing it up. I will look into them.
VooDooGasMan
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Vlad it is a motor cycle club, no need to have a criminal record to be a member. Of course you go get a harley and put the title in there name until they feel you are worthy, some clubs do not enforce that to get members. For the most part they have traditions thats why you join. Tattoo's are wide spread and I do not think they are bad people for having them. The world is huge and everyone is different in interest.
Of course I do understand that when my wife put on her biker clothes, there was an intimidation I could see in other woman, if not just a different look on there face. With no biker colors she looks like a sweet little girl.
mossman if the curacao bikers took over bonaire, then they would somehow be connected to diving. Friends dive, yellow submarine, are bikers on bonaire, they dive, teach diving and do dive tours.
So if this is about being sued for a team member and JJ has changed it, whats the gripe. Team diving is where people get involved with each other, thats what they like. To dive a wreck or cave at depth that is not, lets say easy, is where they put a team together to accomplish it in a way they feel safe.
Learning skills is what makes most divers in the water a reason to dive in there local diving. when they want to travel, it is nice to not be able to do a dive cause you are not prepared, or know how.
When I watched the first DIR vid it was the funniest thing I ever saw, my buddy back then say's whats so funny, I said it looks like a low budget porn film. And this guy is the seargent of arms in a motorcycle club here in Seatlte. I guess thats why I am not much into it, and he was a kid back then. But JJ did make his team diving into a way of diving.
Happy Diving
Of course I do understand that when my wife put on her biker clothes, there was an intimidation I could see in other woman, if not just a different look on there face. With no biker colors she looks like a sweet little girl.
mossman if the curacao bikers took over bonaire, then they would somehow be connected to diving. Friends dive, yellow submarine, are bikers on bonaire, they dive, teach diving and do dive tours.
So if this is about being sued for a team member and JJ has changed it, whats the gripe. Team diving is where people get involved with each other, thats what they like. To dive a wreck or cave at depth that is not, lets say easy, is where they put a team together to accomplish it in a way they feel safe.
Learning skills is what makes most divers in the water a reason to dive in there local diving. when they want to travel, it is nice to not be able to do a dive cause you are not prepared, or know how.
When I watched the first DIR vid it was the funniest thing I ever saw, my buddy back then say's whats so funny, I said it looks like a low budget porn film. And this guy is the seargent of arms in a motorcycle club here in Seatlte. I guess thats why I am not much into it, and he was a kid back then. But JJ did make his team diving into a way of diving.
Happy Diving
PfcAJ
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Yanno, after reading mossman's posts, I think hes right.
Keeping track of your gas, not smashing into the bottom or rocketing to the surface, being able to shoot an SMB, sticking with your buddy, being able to share gas, not kicking the bottom, making sure you have a plan and all your equipment works, all that junk you learn in fundamentals is just plain ol' silly. I mean, why would anyone want to do all those things?
And clearly, the course it overkill. I mean, just look at the 'damage' divers have caused from poor technique. Its just coral, it'll grow back! Its a plant, right? And no one ever runs out of gas, thats a myth! You swim down, swim around, and come back up. It isn't rocket surgery!
Right....
Keeping track of your gas, not smashing into the bottom or rocketing to the surface, being able to shoot an SMB, sticking with your buddy, being able to share gas, not kicking the bottom, making sure you have a plan and all your equipment works, all that junk you learn in fundamentals is just plain ol' silly. I mean, why would anyone want to do all those things?
And clearly, the course it overkill. I mean, just look at the 'damage' divers have caused from poor technique. Its just coral, it'll grow back! Its a plant, right? And no one ever runs out of gas, thats a myth! You swim down, swim around, and come back up. It isn't rocket surgery!
Right....
Leejnd
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Yes, that's who I'm using when I head to Cozumel in a couple weeks. I chose them because they were very open to working with a disabled diver - which I temporarily am, due to major back surgery a few months ago. Right now I need extra help getting into and out of the water - I really have to be careful not to damage the area of the fusion, while the new bone is still growing. I looked into a lot of dive ops in Cozumel, and these guys were the ones who seemed the most willing and eager to work with me, given my special needs. I also really like their emphasis on overall safety, without reducing the length/fun of the dives. The steel tanks were a BIG hit with me, as was the fact that they pump Nitrox. But what really did it for me was actually meeting the owner and his main DM at the scuba show in Long Beach - he spent almost an hour talking with me - just a regular diver, nobody important - and I really liked his overall philosophy. He seems to be a very high-quality operation, well worth the extra spend.
Mossman's issue with Aldora is that, something like ten years ago (I probably don't have that number exact, but it was many years ago) he used them and he didn't like it that they made the group stay together, and end the dive when the first diver got low on air. Apparently he had a noob hoover in the group, which shortened his dives. Aldora does insist their groups stay together, which ordinarily would cause me to rule out a dive op for that reason alone (that's happened to me too!). But they feel they have a good reason for it - most of the dives in Cozumel are drift dives, and there's heavy boat traffic so most of the dive-related accidents that have happened there have been boats hitting divers. Unlike some other ops they insist that their small group stays together (max 6, often fewer). They've obviously learned their lesson about not allowing noob hoovers to ruin experienced divers' dives: they address that directly on their website in a detailed article. They now have all steel 100s/120s, and if someone happens to suck their tank in record time the DM will give them their long hose and keep the dive going. They have enough business that they carefully match up skill levels and SAC rates so the group won't be forced to shorten a dive due to a noobie. And they average 70 minute dives - which sounds good to me!
They have an avid, passionate following in the Coz forum, many of whom I learned are GUE/UTD trained divers. They were also recommended to me by Karim at Hollywood Divers, who I know and respect. I talked to several other Cozumel dive ops when I was at the scuba show, but these guys impressed me the most, so I'm going with them. I'm very comfortable with my decision, and can't wait to get there.
Leejnd
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And that right there is why I have lost all respect for you. How can you find it entertaining to mock people for no reason other than the type of dive training they choose to take? Why go out of your way to insult, demean and belittle people? Is anything we're doing affecting you? What kind of person gets off on making fun of others? If anything in this thread is "sick", it's that.
Honestly, I don't care WHAT the topic is - diving, cooking, square dancing. Why make fun of something as benign as the type of training we choose? Who DOES that?
Your behavior is exactly what defines a troll. That's what trolls do - post rude, confrontational and insulting stuff on message boards for the sole purpose of stirring the pot, for entertainment -- to watch everyone's reactions. It's something that immature teenage boys do for fun, not grown men. As for your "criticisms" - any validity that might be there is completely lost in your delivery. Rather than attempt to have a respectful discussion in which you voice your views, you've mocked and insulted those who chose a different dive philosophy. Nobody can hear your "valid" criticisms because we are all too busy rolling our eyes at your rudeness and juvenile behavior.
Doesn't that tell you something? Nobody agrees with you. Not one person in this thread.
I have no problem with people who disagree with me, or make other choices. If you'd told me you were against DIR for whatever your reasons are, but acted respectfully in this thread, it would have been no big deal - I know lots of divers like that. I would have happily dived with you if we happened to run into each other in Coz.
But I have no room in my life for people like you. And that is the last thing I will say to you. (I mean that, everyone! Really!
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