Would you stay away from a dive shop that had an accident?

[berndo]

Look at the hobbies out there, look at the volume of risk mitigation involved in diving, very few hobbies involve the extremely high volume of risk mitigation diving does.

Yeah, a 3 day class on vacation and a buddy check... that's some extremely high volume of risk mitigation.
You're such a daredevil, living on the edge...

 

[formernuke]

Yeah, a 3 day class on vacation and a buddy check... that's some extremely high volume of risk mitigation.
You're such a daredevil, living on the edge...

If that's all you do how are you still alive.

I check every piece of my gear myself plus the buddy check. I don't do that hiking.

I don't live on the edge, I manage my risk.

 

[noserider]

One of the issues is that divers risk mitigation gets far better as they get more experienced.

I look back at some of my dives 30 years ago when I was in my 20's and I took far more risks, there were no dive computers, we used rental equipment (often dodgy and ill fitting ), went into overhead environments, had no DSMB's, no reels, no GPS systems, no cutting equipment, no torches, certainly no spare equipment and often dove with a hangover!

Now I dive with 2 DSMB's, a nautilus lifeline, 2 cutting tools, at least 2 light sources, 2 masks, a whistle, I dive all my own kit that I keep on top of servicing and that fits perfectly and I will sling a pony if needed.

I am also a far better diver, far better trained than I was 30 years ago and thus more aware of the risks and a better buddy and grow diver.

 

[L13]

Commercial airliners are maintained by hundreds of mechanic, engineers, QA inspectors, CASA.

You are not expected to carry your own life support system on your back or side whilst flying. I don’t see a pre-dive maintenance crew waiting to check you over before every dive?

If there was a loss of cabin pressure the airliner has mitigation in the form of emergency O2. Even at 29000 feet there is 6.9% oxygen.

Scuba diving even at 1 foot there is 0% oxygen.

Hence risk.

Probably a bad example comparing commercial flight safety and risk to scuba diving

Exactly! An otherwise High risk activity may low risk by equipment and trained operations is no longer considered a high risk activity.

The inherent risk of being at 29,000 feet traveling at 500 mph is much higher than the inherent risk of a "basic scuba" dive where if all your equipment instantly failed you could do a CESA and be survive. The difference between 0% oxygen and 6.9% oxygen is irrelevant, they are both equally unsurvivable without mitigation.

It is true that the mitigation we currently do for "basic scuba" are not sufficient to make it as low risk as air travel but that is exactly why I picked air travel. We took an inherently higher risk activity and made it a much lower risk activity, and no longer call it a high risk activity.

We label the risk of an activity after mitigation, not before mitigation. After standard risk mitigation, "basic scuba" is at most a medium, if not low, risk activity.

 

[L13]

Again a lot of risk mitigation goes into that.

Exactly! Riskiness of an activity is measured after mitigation, not before.

 

[L13]

I don't live on the edge, I manage my risk.

Do you consider the diving you do with the mitigation you do high risk?

What are the odds of death or sever injury on the dives you do done the way you do them?

No compare to typical high risk activities.

If you "don't live on the edge" how can you claim to be involve in a risky activity?

 

[tursiops]

Wow, if I had said that, I'd probably get banned and the post deleted.

Just wondering why nearly every thread you participate in turns contentious with personal insults.....

 

[formernuke]

Do you consider the diving you do with the mitigation you do high risk?

What are the odds of death or sever injury on the dives you do done the way you do them?

No compare to typical high risk activities.

If you "don't live on the edge" how can you claim to be involve in a risky activity?

I measure the risk of the activity PRIOR to mitigation. IE the inherent risk.

So yes the "basic" diving I do now is very high risk even shallow because I dive CCR which is inherently more dangerous.

I then mitigate the risk accordingly to MAKE it safe.

 

[L13]

I measure the risk of the activity PRIOR to mitigation. IE the inherent risk.

Really? You consider Commercial air travel high risk?

So yes the "basic" diving I do now is very high risk even shallow because I dive CCR which is inherently more dangerous.

In that case, you must consider commercial air travel even higher risk. (the inherent risk is higher, but the mitigation is also much higher)

I then mitigate the risk accordingly to MAKE it safe.

Like we do with commercial air travel. But most people don't label it high risk because of the mitigation making it safe.

 

[tridacna]

If that's all you do how are you still alive.

I check every piece of my gear myself plus the buddy check. I don't do that hiking.

I don't live on the edge, I manage my risk.

You dive a rebreather don’t you? In my book, that’s high risk and on the edge no matter how well you manage it.