Warped Dive World Evolution - BP/W Subgroup Mindset

[ScubaSteve]

Sorry if this has been answered already, but I know it has been asked (likely several times):

1. What is the OP's experience in a BP/W as compared to jacket BC?

2. Other than free diving, has anybody answered the question "Name one dive that a BP/W would not be suitable for"?

 

[Tortuga68]

1. What is the OP's experience in a BP/W as compared to jacket BC?

Actually I think he did answer that already in this thread

2. Other than free diving, has anybody answered the question "Name one dive that a BP/W would not be suitable for"?

Skydiving

 

[ScubaSteve]

But since people (some more experienced divers) have not come up with a dive where the BP/W is unsuitable, then my research shows that there is not a SCUBA involved dive where a wing is not suitable. Research is fun

 

[Crush]

It indicates that your theory is based upon a very small breadth of experience - which can be used to explain why you fail to understand some of the wider issues that are considered in the debate.

Again, I have nothing against BP&W.

Most who post on SB asking for advice on BCs are new divers. Most new divers never go beyond OW and dive infrequently. In my limited diving experience I can't see why a BC would be inappropriate for new divers who only dive 2-5 times a year - they haven't worked our their trim and probably never will. But then again, I don't have the benefit of 50,000 dives and a black belt, so what do I know?

 

[Tortuga68]

/sigh

Actually I winced when DD mentioned your number of dives - because it detracts from the point at hand

Which is still that an irregular OW diver who never works on their trim won't be any worse off with a BP/W

 

[Farback]

OK, enough of this nonsense. Wetsuit, one regulator, SPG, horse collar BCD with attached pony bottle, watch and compass. And a huge 10" leg-mount knife. If this was good enough in the 70's, it's good enough now. I don't need none of your new-fangled equipment OR your loud music.

I have exactly 141 dives logged. If you have any less, you're clearly someone not fit to carry my tanks. If you have more, you're clearly someone who is marginally employed and a burden to society. Your opinion, too, is to be ignored.

I'd be happy to discuss these issues with people who have between 130 to 150 dives, and believe a computer is something that fills an air conditioned room.

I say good day to you!

 

[Crush]

/sigh

Actually I winced when DD mentioned your number of dives - because it detracts from the point at hand

Which is still that an irregular OW diver who never works on their trim won't be any worse off with a BP/W

I have commented on this previously:

In fact, I might suggest (tongue in cheek) that jacket-style BC's are superior to BP/w's for new divers. The bulkier the BC the better - the average vacation diver might not have good trim, so the added bulk of a totally decked-out BC will help to slow ascents and descents when the diver is vertical in the water, increasing safety and decreasing instances of DCS. Drift diving will similarly be easier - you will see more fish (albeit briefly) in less time that those darn, low-drag BP/w divers as the current will grab you more strongly and move you about with greater efficiency. Finally, you will present a larger target to an aircrew looking for you, and the bright colours will make you easier to spot than, say, someone with a black BP/w.

 

[MauiScubaSteve]

So then you are an "INTERNET EXPERT STATING OPINION AS IF IT WERE FACT." It is your opinion that Peter is a "Vest BC HATER!". Knowing Peter quite well, I can assure you that is NOT a fact. Peter doesn't care what you wear, and isn't the sort of person who "hates" other people's equipment choices. In fact, knowing Peter as well as I do, I have a hard time associating him with the term "Hate" at all.

The "fact" would be to state that Peter has tried a number of different style BCDs over the years ... including vests ... and decided that the vest wasn't the best choice for him to use. He's perfectly happy telling you why ... but he won't hate you if you choose some other type of equipment. Nor does he hate the equipment itself. In fact, hating an inert piece of equipment seems like a truly foolish thing to do ... and Peter is far from a foolish person.

It is apparent that you are unwilling to hold yourself to the same standards for posting that you insist on holding everyone else to ... but that shouldn't surprise anyone ... self-righteous people rarely see the flaws in themselves that they see in everyone else ...

Bob, you really do make things very easy for me....

[Confession #1 -- I am a BP/W person, teach in it (when permitted) and encourage OW students to use one and I HATE, HATE, HATE jacket BCs -- always have]
[Confession #2 -- I haven't read every word of the prior posts so if someone has written what I'm about to write, please forgive me]

Not only does Peter himself catagorically state that.... :shocked2:

I HATE, HATE, HATE jacket BCs -- always have

Read between the lines of this post....

BTW, I am a DM, and I am also the Borg Queen for having been an outspoken and adamant promoter of DIR-style diving since I discovered it. When I do pool dives with the shop's students (who are in jacket BCs) I dive a jacket with a standard octo setup. For the open water dives (where there are no demonstrations) I dive my own gear. And when Peter does his own, private classes, we start our students in backplates and 40" hoses and bungied backups, and I do the pool work in my usual equipment.

One does have to make some compromises in teaching for a shop. However, neither Peter nor I EVER demonstrates anything on our knees!

I wonder if the shop that Peter trains Vest BC wearing students knows how he really feels about Vest BC's?



By the way, the underlined part of Peter's quote might also explain a little about many of your recent posts, Bob.

 

[Tortuga68]

I have commented on this previously:

Oh... well, there's a simple solution - just get a 94# bungee wing

 

[MauiScubaSteve]

Sorry if this has been answered already, but I know it has been asked (likely several times):

1. What is the OP's experience in a BP/W as compared to jacket BC?

2. Other than free diving, has anybody answered the question "Name one dive that a BP/W would not be suitable for"?

Please look for the pertinent info in the OP, as to the topic of this thread. I have answered Q#1 recently, probably in one of the linked threads from this thread's OP; if you are really interested in that answer, keep asking and someone might help you (or just find it yourself).

As for Q#2, please see the thread linked below for a discussion of an entry situation where for some divers a BP/W evidently does not do the job, IMHO.

http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/hawaii-ohana/321578-maui-shore-dive.html