This morning in Egypt ...

[scubadada]

Very much agree. Ideally with as much of the management and ownership structure as can be gathered.

Perhaps it could be shoehorned into some SB threads in a dedicated subsection of A&I to get started at least.

I gave it a try for the Red Sea yesterday with 30 or 45 minutes of looking on Google. I only came up with 8 liveaboard accidents this century. I have no idea what the actual number might be. Maybe others can give it a shot.

This morning in Egypt ...

@Dan But there should be an access to the cabins from the bow of the ship. The fire was in the stern of the ship.

scubaboard.com

 

[DandyDon]

Why do people go to Egypt? Primarily because it's cheap, relatively close to Europe and the diving can be excellent depending on you precise location. People like cheap even at the risk of their own safety. Visitors will keep returning regardless of safety concerns.

It's the 21st century and Western travelers need to spend $20 USD on battery-powered Smoke & CO alarms, carry them, and test them every time they unpack.

I gave it a try for the Red Sea yesterday with 30 or 45 minutes of looking on Google. I only came up with 8 liveaboard accidents this century. I have no idea what the actual number might be. Maybe others can give it a shot.

You did pretty well actually. Note: 5 in the last 4 years.

I actually found 8 Red Sea accidents between 2004 and 2023, I counted one, twice. The information was not always easy to find and I would not take as absolutely correct. Others may know of additional incidents or details

 

[Joneill]

Fewer boats means fewer jobs.

If that translates into fewer boats that have proper systems and maintenance to prevent guests from effectively being murdered while sleeping in their bunks, then so be it. Do you seriously think this type of negligence/lack of proper safety & warning systems is OK in any country???

 

[Jai Bar]

Why do people go to Egypt? Primarily because it's cheap, relatively close to Europe and the diving can be excellent depending on you precise location. People like cheap even at the risk of their own safety. Visitors will keep returning regardless of safety concerns.

There are so many reasons to visit Egypt, being a cheap place is not the primary one. Maybe, because it is an amazing country, with wonders that leave you astonishingly dumbfounded, or the people's hospitality, the food, desert expeditions, mountaineering and the exceptional scuba diving?

And people don't like cheap on account of their own safety. If at all, they can be unaware or not thinking of hazards, just as most normal people don't go to a hotel vacation and start memorizing the emergency routes in case of fire.

 

[Eric802]

If that translates into fewer boats that have proper systems and maintenance to prevent guests from effectively being murdered while sleeping in their bunks, then so be it. Do you seriously think this type of negligence/lack of proper safety & warning systems is OK in any country???

Well, apparently if a certain number of westerners have to die to keep the boats running and save a few bucks on safety equipment, so be it.

 

[Joneill]

Well, apparently if a certain number of westerners have to die to keep the boats running and save a few bucks on safety equipment, so be it.

Yup - that seems to be what that person (and I use the term loosely) was saying. Unbelievable!

 

[Dan]

Why do people go to Egypt? Primarily because it's cheap, relatively close to Europe and the diving can be excellent depending on you precise location. People like cheap even at the risk of their own safety. Visitors will keep returning regardless of safety concerns.

Like Carlton Queen for $70/night.

 

[BlueTrin]

There are so many reasons to visit Egypt, being a cheap place is not the primary one. Maybe, because it is an amazing country, with wonders that leave you astonishingly dumbfounded, or the people's hospitality, the food, desert expeditions, mountaineering and the exceptional scuba diving?

And people don't like cheap on account of their own safety. If at all, they can be unaware or not thinking of hazards, just as most normal people don't go to a hotel vacation and start memorizing the emergency routes in case of fire.

I go in Egypt because it’s kind of cheap: it’s incredibly good value for a family holiday.

When I check stuff like if there are actually life jackets or other stuff, people look at me like if I am an idiot.

The vast majority of people will not remember this incident and not change their behavior. People on SB do not represent the majority of tourists.

 

[Dan]

Hi @azstinger11

I actually found 8 Red Sea accidents between 2004 and 2023, I counted one, twice. The information was not always easy to find and I would not take as absolutely correct. Others may know of additional incidents or details

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Add 2 more from the link in post #45 posted by @chillyinCanada in page 5:

Three missing Brits dead after diving boat bursts into flames on Egypt coast

British passengers on a diving boat that burst into flames on the coast of Egypt have died, travel company Scuba Travel has confirmed, claiming the guests "perished in the fire"

www.mirror.co.uk

"In 2021 a boat capsized in a lake near Egypt‘s Mediterranean city of Alexandria, leaving at least five people dead, including three children.

In 1991, the Egyptian ferry, Salem Express — sailing from Saudi Arabia to Egypt — sank killing as many as 471 people."

 

[berndo]

In 1991, the Egyptian ferry, Salem Express — sailing from Saudi Arabia to Egypt — sank killing as many as 471 people."

AFAIK is was more than 700 dead and probably more since they supposedly had a bunch of people on board that weren't on passenger list. They also didn't recover all bodies and sealed the wreck. The wreck was dived on pretty early, not many years after it sank. In the early 2000s there were still lots of personal items of the victims scatered around the wreck. I hated diving there every time.

My reading skills are fine

If you think I said 'westerners have to die to keep the boats running and save a few bucks on safety equipment', you must either have very poor reading skill or are just stupid... or both. And BTW, the word 'murdered' doesn't mean what you think it does.