"Right to Repair" - Potentially great news for DIY!

[James79]

Just food for thought... No one seems to be suggesting "they" be forced to sell a product they don't make or sell. Only that they not restrict owners from buying parts they already produce and sell (but only to "authorized" service techs).

Respectfully,

James

 

[Manatee Diver]

"Free market"

Oil subsidies, farm subsidies, ethanol subsidies, healthcare subsidies, housing subsidies....

Socialism. For the rich.

Don't disagree, I am heavily against crony capitalism.

But certain regulations are fine IMO. Heck DMCA, which was a form of crony capitalism for the entertainment industry, is one of those regulations, just think it needs a small reform to prohibit it being used to prevent repairs.

 

[M-Cameron]

So requiring bumpers to survive 5mph impacts with no damage, or having bumpers that injury pedestrians less. Or having to get their products tested for energy usage so consumers can more accurately compare products. Or one of the other consumer protection laws we have in the US are fine. But requiring companies to provide parts, allow third parties access to necessary proprietary repair tools, or provide schematics that is a bridge too far.

So where does this scope creep end?

Requiring scubapro sell pink bcds?
Requiring aqualung sell only split fins?
Requiring all wetsuits be neon orange?

All under the guise of "consumer protection"?

What's the argument against any of that using your logic?

 

[M-Cameron]

Just food for thought... No one seems to be suggesting "they" be forced to sell a product they don't make or sell. Only that they not restrict owners from buying parts they already produce and sell (but only to "authorized" service techs).

Respectfully,

James

Can I go into Costco and demand they sell me something even though I don't have a membership?

I don't like their business model after all, so can I demand the govt make them change it?

If a company only want to sell a product to certain people, that is their right to do so

 

[James79]

Can I go into Costco and demand they sell me something even though I don't have a membership?

I don't like their business model after all, so can I demand the govt make them change it?

If a company only want to sell a product to certain people, that is their right to do so

Ok, I tried to address it politely, but you are comparing apples and potatoes. You do you, and we can agree to disagree.

Respectfully,

James

 

[Manatee Diver]

So where does this scope creep end?

Requiring scubapro sell pink bcds?
Requiring aqualung sell only split fins?
Requiring all wetsuits be neon orange?

All under the guise of "consumer protection"?

What's the argument against any of that using your logic?

You are really going off the deep end with your examples.

Scubapro already makes the parts, and it even sells it openly in Europe, and in the US with the proper creds.

If they don't want to sell the parts, they simply stop making the parts. No one is going to force them to make a product that they don't want to sell.

 

[Pipehorse]

If a company only want to sell a product to certain people, that is their right to do so

This is total disinformation, you are completely and utterly wrong.

 

[Pipehorse]

Regardless of their motives....you have no right to force them to run their business how YOU want them to run.

This is another severely flawed argument, based on the faulty presumption that business owners rights supersede consumers rights. This is the logical fallacy of just being plain wrong. As a consumer I have every right, in fact a duty to force them to run their business the way I see fit, as does every other consumer.

 

[wetb4igetinthewater]

how do you prove a regulator was serviced?

Currently it is done by providing the removed parts.

there is nothing stopping me from servicing a regulator, hashing it up, and claiming it came that way.....and no way for anyone to prove otherwise.

forcing someone to buy 3rd party parts is one good way to protect against such claims.

Many manufacturers keep inspection records, so I don't think people can claim that. To claim that you got the one regulator in history that came from the factory damaged is really a stretch. Are you going to offer to sell me a bridge as well?

often times those lawsuits get settled out of court, leaving no record.

Oh there is a record of the filed lawsuit.

i dont have any examples on hand, because honestly i havent looked, but the laws arent different for scuba than they are for any other industry.

Or they simply don't exist.

 

[The Chairman]

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