"Right to Repair" - Potentially great news for DIY!

[M-Cameron]

The world is changing. This Executive Order is a potential harbinger of that change. I'm not after proprietary software code. I just want parts for 1965 technology, not even as sophisticated as my car.
Sadly, though, you are probably right. The manufacturers lobby will outmaneuver the little guy and we'll be stuck having superior equipment serviced by inferior repair technicians.

and there is absolutely nothing stopping you from putting together your own service kits....go online, buy all the orings from a distributer, have parts made, ect.

then you can repair whatever regulators you want.

what you do not have a right is to demand someone else do all that work for you, and then sell it to you....because essentially you want to force someone to do work you are too lazy to do yourself.....and you want the govt to be the one to force them to do it.


well once you let that devil in, it doesnt go away....and that is a devil that seeks further and further control....and who know, maybe one day some govt bureaucrat will decide that scuba is just too dangerous, and makes the mfg stop selling regulators all together.

 

[M-Cameron]

well when there is evidence to the contrary (Deep 6, Poseidon) in which there isn't an issue, your argument that there is risk of liability or that the companies that make regulators are trying to protect us is simply pearl clutching fear mongering.

I can't help you understand that either. No one can.

The scuba market is simply a beneficiary of this law. I'm hopeful that farmers will be able to service their equipment faster, possibly using third parties to diagnose and fix bugs in firmware quickly so they can get back to what they want to focus on: farming.

the fact that Deep6 offers rebuild kits doesnt prove that the practice will not result in liability.

when deep6 or poseidon have 1/10 the market share of scubapro. aqualung, mares....then you might have grounds for a precedent...

but right now they dont, and there isnt.

 

[wetb4igetinthewater]

the fact that Deep6 offers rebuild kits doesnt prove that the practice will not result in liability.

when deep6 or poseidon have 1/10 the market share of scubapro. aqualung, mares....then you might have grounds for a precedent...

but right now they dont, and there isnt.

Can you cite an example in the scuba industry where someone sued the manufacturer of a piece of equipment that the plaintiff serviced?

 

[Manatee Diver]

guys, i can only explain the situation to you.....i cant understand it for you.

run your own business one day if you really want to understand liability, the legal system, and just how ******* stupid the average person.



at the end of the day....you are asking the govt to be your big brother because you dont like how a company runs their business....name one thing the govt hasnt royally screwed up, and then ask yourself just how much more control you want them to have over the rest of your lives.

I do run a business. I have a list of things that I am required to comply with that is as long as my arm. I have at least 4 different insurance policies (not counting employee related insurances like health, life, disability, etc).

I also have a very good understanding no just of liability, the value (or lack there of) of waivers, and how the legal system works. Not just because I've been involved in a number of them on both sides, but with that fact that my father is a lawyer and gave me a much more realistic understanding of how the justice system works, how juries work, and such.

So no I don't think that requiring scuba companies to provide a bare minimum of a parts diagram, and the ability to order parts to be a huge imposition.

 

[M-Cameron]

Can you cite an example in the scuba industry where someone sued the manufacturer of a piece of equipment that the plaintiff serviced?

how do you prove a regulator was serviced?

there is nothing stopping me from servicing a regulator, hashing it up, and claiming it came that way.....and no way for anyone to prove otherwise.

forcing someone to buy 3rd party parts is one good way to protect against such claims.

often times those lawsuits get settled out of court, leaving no record.

i dont have any examples on hand, because honestly i havent looked, but the laws arent different for scuba than they are for any other industry.

 

[M-Cameron]

I do run a business. I have a list of things that I am required to comply with that is as long as my arm. I have at least 4 different insurance policies (not counting employee related insurances like health, life, disability, etc).

So no I don't think that requiring scuba companies to provide a bare minimum of a parts diagram, and the ability to order parts to be a huge imposition.

and if the scuba company disagrees?....you are going to force them to do it?....because thats what YOU want?

 

[Manatee Diver]

and if the scuba company disagrees?....you are going to force them to do it?....because thats what YOU want?

Not just me, but a lot of people see the right to repair movement. Consumer protection laws in Europe mean that for most things parts and schematics are available including for scuba. If you visit European dealers you can order a ton of parts that you can't get in the US. How do you think @buddhasummer gets are the parts that he orders? When I need specialty gun parts for European brands, I send an email to a friend in Germany, he orders them through his local shop and drops it off for me when he visits here for the international match that we host once a year.

The US doesn't have those laws because corporations hold a stranglehold in Congress. The testimony for companies like Deere and Apple is eye rollingly bad.

 

[M-Cameron]

Not just me, but a lot of people see the right to repair movement. Consumer protection laws in Europe mean that for most things parts and schematics are available including for scuba. If you visit European dealers you can order a ton of parts that you can't get in the US. How do you think @buddhasummer gets are the parts that he orders? When I need specialty gun parts for European brands, I send an email to a friend in Germany, he orders them through his local shop and drops it off for me when he visits here for the international match that we host once a year.

The US doesn't have those laws because corporations hold a stranglehold in Congress. The testimony for companies like Deere and Apple is eye rollingly bad.

....or because we have an aversion to soft-core socalism in the US the rest of Europe doesnt....

 

[Manatee Diver]

....or because we have an aversion to soft-core socalism in the US the rest of Europe doesnt....

So requiring companies to support the independent repair of their products is socialism.

You do know what socialism is? When the people own the means of production. Requiring a company to sell the same parts that they use in repairs or sell to their authorized dealers is owning the means of production.

I should go tell my macroeconomics professor this, though I'm not sure he is still alive, he was pretty old when I took the class.

 

[M-Cameron]

So requiring companies to support the independent repair of their products is socialism.

when you have the govt mandate that they do so...and making the govt mandate that a company sell certain products...and make the govt force a company to operate in a certain way.....at the behest of the people....yes.....yes it is.

how is that NOT the people seizing the means of production??