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1. That Apeks pays its employees a living wage in the UK and that impacts costs does nothing to directly impact quality. It does, however, do something to impact price. I'm not British, and I don't care what Apeks does for the UK economy.

2. That there is no impartial third party testing data to go on makes a discussion of quality somewhat impotent.

3. That a product is manufactured in [country x] is merely statistical and has no baring on quality as there are good and bad in any industrial nation.

It seems that this is a discussion of preferences. I prefer that Chris will answer direct questions about his products on this forum. I prefer that I can buy service kits and work on my gear (which, honestly is less frequently than I ever had to work on my AL regs) and I prefer that I can do so and have enough money left over to actually go diving. I prefer to do business with a manufacturer who addresses my issues quickly and satisfactorily without referring me back to the shop where I procured the product.

My D1 regs have held up to four-to-five dive days/week since I bought them two years ago, they've been to 300+ feet, they've supplemented one of my friends' dive boats' rental fleet, they've been slammed around in wrecks and caves and they're still going strong. Your Apeks, Scubapro, Poseidon, Atomics have done the same, I'll wager. You just spent more for the privilege.
 
Hopefully most readers can take away from this discussion the fact that Apeks, Poseidon, ScubaPro, HOG and many other manufacturers make quality products around the world and market them to different people at different price points. The reader can decide which is right for THEM because what Chris (at SW) thinks and what I think really means nothing in the long run. A lot of good opinion has been shared here and there is room for all of it. It all boils down to preference.
 
My D1 regs have held up to four-to-five dive days/week since I bought them two years ago, they've been to 300+ feet, they've supplemented one of my friends' dive boats' rental fleet, they've been slammed around in wrecks and caves and they're still going strong. Your Apeks, Scubapro, Poseidon, Atomics have done the same, I'll wager. You just spent more for the privilege.

Are these the same Hogs that gave you problems in my tech class or are they newer models?
 
Yes they did!

The Poseidon Story | Poseidon


LOL! Reminds me of the Monty Python sketch:D

Funny how they claim it on their website if it aint true?!


No, they did not. Tom Eldred of Australia invented the single hose Porpoise regulator in 1949. He was selling them during the early1950s. Poseidon did not even come onto the scene until 1958 and US Divers and Sportsways already had single hose regulators in 1957. US Divers was already selling the single hose Aquamatic by 1957.
 
Chris@SW should check his reading comprehension. Their website says they were the first to produce, not that they invented it. They are probably excluding military sales and talking about civilian sales or something and using that to stretch their reputation.

Not a shock. Facts rarely seem to mean much these days.
 

Yes they did!

The Poseidon Story | Poseidon


LOL! Reminds me of the Monty Python sketch:D

Funny how they claim it on their website if it aint true?!

Which article has the dates wrong?

"The Poseidon company was founded in 1958"

"He introduced his Porpoise regulators many years before Rose Pro, U.S. Divers, or Sportsways sold their first models in 1956-57. Ted invented the Porpoise single hose regulator in 1949 and sold his first one in 1952. "
 
I think there is something that HOG has put to the table which no other manufacturer has done and was neglected in this discussion: They provided a path for the consumer to service their own regulators. It is something I doubt any big name manufacturer will follow soon since this is a major revenue stream for them and their dealers. It is a big attraction for the DIY'ers like me. It is not about saving cost during service - hell it might even cost more due to the equipment if you really want to do it properly - but for those of us who wants to understand how things work and know that your life support equipment was put together properly.... Well its sorta hard to explain but the consummate DIY'er will understand :D.

This was a major factor in changing all my regs over to HOG. When I was taking my open water class I asked about learning to service my own regs. As a response to this "what I thought was an" innocent question was total doom and gloom. I was told how only authorized service techs can work on life support equipment and only they have the knowledge to repair this equipment properly. As an master certified auto tech and someone that has always done his own repairs on everything, I can't tell you how much i was put off by this. I think it is totally absurd to say I should trust my "life support" equipment to to someone I may have never met than the person who's life is at stake. And no servising your own equipment is not inexpensive, I think with the class fee, all the tools, fuel to drive to NJ and back plus the 18 hour day, I have a total of around $800 invested in getting certified to service my own HOG regs. The up side to all this is I trust the person working on them 100% and they are done when I want them not when someone else finds time to work on them. I take pride in repairing my own equipment weather it be dive equipment, vehicles, computers or the boiler in the basement, maybe I'm in the minority here but what I want is the choice. This is some of what I do for a living 100_0360.jpg
I think if I can do this job with no left over parts or squeaks and rattles I can disassemble and reassemble a scuba reg.
 
I thought Jules Verne invented all that underwater breathing stuff. He described it in 1870 when he wrote "Twenty Thousand Leagues Under The Sea". I know this to be factual because I saw the movie about it staring Kirk Douglas and James Mason.
 
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