@PeskyMonkey So which shop is this? Not that many shops in the Bronx. I can only think of Captain Mikes...
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^^^ What he said ^^^I have been going to my physician, in the US and now in Libya, every single year since I became a dive instructor in 1987. I go through a full physical exam with lots of lab tests every single time including cardiac checks. I pay lots of money for these exams/check ups. I never had any medical issue or required any treatment. I keep doing these exams every single year. I don't considered not doing them because they cost money or because I am "fine" and don't need an exam because I feel fine even when through all of these years no medical issue existed or showed up. I don't call this exam a fraud or think of it as waste. I have had friends and relatives, one very close relative, die unexpectedly of heart attack or something else when they least expected it. They never had a medical check up and felt "fine" not to bother having an exam even every two or three years. I am not going to be one of these people.
VCI for me is the same thing for the potentially the most dangerous part of dive equipment. I became a PSI inspector in mid-80's and trained by Bill High and went to refreshers afterwards. I have inspected "hundreds" of scuba tanks since I became an inspector (I am not going to say thousands since I don't have an exact number) when I owned my dive shop in NY and here in Libya now. The greater majority of the Tanks I inspected were "OK" in the most part, nothing that will cause them to explode and kill others. BUT, there have been few, average 10 tanks a year, there were "dangerous" and had to either be removed from service or had to address their issues before they can be returned to service. Issues ranged from corrosion that was too deep to compressor oil inside the tank, water, lots of rust from bad tank cleaning jobs, wrong thread valves on tanks, you name it. The greater majority, if not all, of these case the issue was not visible on the outside and the owner didn't know that there was anything wrong with their tanks until we opened it and did the VCI (per VCI standards and training). I/We follow VCI standards and procedures thoroughly per PSI standards and our training. When I/we have a question we get on the phone or email with PSI and get advice from them. We charge $25 for the VCI which includes the sticker and $10 for the fill for a whopping $35 (this was in NYC). Doing VCI wasn't making me rich or paid for my medical insurance. It was a time consuming job especially if you include the required paperwork, time with the client and the tools and refresher training my staff and I had to undergo on regular basis. I know for certain that following these procedures and doing VCI have saved lives and have prevented serious injuries to divers and to, especially, my staff who do the tank filling and my customers who maybe close to the fill station should a tank explodes at its most vulnerable moment, during filling. It also saved people from serious harm had the oil or rust remained in their tanks undetected while they are using the tanks diving.
It is a recurring theme here on SB to bitcsh about VCI. These anti-VCI keyboard warriors give their "expert" opinion while bad mouthing the experts and/or dive shops that require this service. Tough nuggets to these folks. Most of your claims are false, or at least grossly exaggerated. My concern is the uninitiated and uninformed people that lurk and read these grossly misinformed posts and start to believe that they represent the truth and are valid.
P.S. The post above from River Rat/ @UofMI_Divegeek comes from an expert who is a top scientist.
You can buy a new damn tank for that much. Wtf would you pay $350 for something that on average only cost $80 with the vip and fill?If I have to pay $25 for a vis every year, and $350 for a hydro every 5 years
Honestly, of what you say is 100% accurate, that is some of the most unprofessional **** I've ever heard of.Hey guys!
So me and my wife went to our LDS to rent a set of steel 100s for some diving in our quarry this weekend. When I went to pick them up, they were 4 years out of vis, and 3 years out of hydro. When I mentioned that I would not like to dive them I got a very... condescending look back from them. They told me the only danger is during the fill, and that since they are already filled I wouldn't have a problem. I told them I understood, but I would prefer to do things the correct way (we are tech divers, and not very fond of bending rules because they "technically" have no risk).
They told me they stopped putting vis inspection stickers on the cylinders because people rent tanks, steal them, and then put them on their own tanks.
They told me they didn't do the hydro because the steel 100s rarely get rented out and "most people don't actually hydro their tanks".
Was I being a stuck up A-hole? I was being talked to as if I was being overly cautious, but it seemed very black and white to me.
P.S. We ended up diving single tanks that were in hydro/vis, and are now looking to just purchase our own set of doubles.
You can buy a new damn tank for that much. Wtf would you pay $350 for something that on average only cost $80 with the vip and fill?