Someone said, "The fire goes out when there is no more fuel."
And I said, "Yes... some dogs are better left unkicked."
Just a question??
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And I said, "Yes... some dogs are better left unkicked."
An aside from the present purpose of this thread.
When you ask what a certain agency says about a topic, it is nice when an experienced diver relays some information that pertains to actual DIVING. A carbon copy of what the text says is not information from an experienced diver, it is the party line. Said diver is some one who has completed a fair share of dives in a variety of environments and situations. I should think that he could converse civily about HIS choice of gear and why HE dives it. A simple, I dive IANTD, is not an answer. No matter what you say, there will be situations where your present gear configuration is not optimal. If you say different, you are not trying new things or you are close minded. Can't we disscuss opinions on trainning and gear config without feeling personaly attacked? Pasionate yes but not offended! I'll tell you what I dive. Tearing it apart and critisizing my gear will either solidify my beliefs in my config or allow me to change and try a possiblys better set up. Thats the way I see it. Nobody tells me how to dive, just suggests good ideas on how to dive.
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With regard to dual bladders, has anyone diving a single bladder had a REAL failure where they had to abort the dive? With drysuit or without? How did it go?
When you ask what a certain agency says about a topic, it is nice when an experienced diver relays some information that pertains to actual DIVING. A carbon copy of what the text says is not information from an experienced diver, it is the party line. Said diver is some one who has completed a fair share of dives in a variety of environments and situations. I should think that he could converse civily about HIS choice of gear and why HE dives it. A simple, I dive IANTD, is not an answer. No matter what you say, there will be situations where your present gear configuration is not optimal. If you say different, you are not trying new things or you are close minded. Can't we disscuss opinions on trainning and gear config without feeling personaly attacked? Pasionate yes but not offended! I'll tell you what I dive. Tearing it apart and critisizing my gear will either solidify my beliefs in my config or allow me to change and try a possiblys better set up. Thats the way I see it. Nobody tells me how to dive, just suggests good ideas on how to dive.
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With regard to dual bladders, has anyone diving a single bladder had a REAL failure where they had to abort the dive? With drysuit or without? How did it go?
Yes. but don't tell my wife I told you about it LOL. I was teaching an Advanced Nitrox class. I had three students and we were doing a dive just to do some shallow water skill work. My wife was wearing a Zeagle wing with double HP 100's and a dry suit. She was buddied with a student. The two other students were buddied together and I was a fifth weel. We were in about 40 ft of water and were to descend to about 30 ft and stop and begin our drills. Only my wife didn't stop. She plowed streight into the bottom with her student buddy hovering over her in bewilderment. I moved over to find out why she was setting such a bad example for my class and she started flipping me the bird. When we have a piece of equipment that isn't working we flip it off to say it's broke. She claims that she was trying to flip off her pull dump but I still say she was flipping me off. By this time I realized that everytime she hit her inflator a plume of bubbles rose from her shoulder. She put some air in her dry suit and got up off the bottom. It was touch and go for a little bit but she got the feel of it and we escorted her back to the dock. The entire pull dump just came off. I later went back and found all the pieces except the o-ring. We don't use wings with pull dumps anymore.
It made for a great class. I couldn't have staged a better training situation. In that depth of water niether her or her student buddy had time to react before she hit the bottom though. If we had been back in a cave with a silty floor and a long way to go to get out it would have made a real mess. We still refer to that spot as Sandy's impact crator.
Those HP tanks are not as neg as LP tanks yet when the tanks are full your heavy. She did have some ditchable weight but it was a short enough swim back that she didn't bother.
It made for a great class. I couldn't have staged a better training situation. In that depth of water niether her or her student buddy had time to react before she hit the bottom though. If we had been back in a cave with a silty floor and a long way to go to get out it would have made a real mess. We still refer to that spot as Sandy's impact crator.
Those HP tanks are not as neg as LP tanks yet when the tanks are full your heavy. She did have some ditchable weight but it was a short enough swim back that she didn't bother.
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Ah, looks like Mike already conveyed his wife's experience, which is what I mentioned here.
Thanks, Mike.
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Ah, looks like Mike already conveyed his wife's experience, which is what I mentioned here.
Thanks, Mike.
Aw Tom! We just got back to talking about wing problems.
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A quick comment about the story of my wifes win failure.
As I try to impress upon my students peers and sometimes my betters...descents, ascents, gas switches or anytime you are doing something other than swimming in a streight line is when problems will arise. Things usually don't just fall apart as you cruise along. Comments?
As I try to impress upon my students peers and sometimes my betters...descents, ascents, gas switches or anytime you are doing something other than swimming in a streight line is when problems will arise. Things usually don't just fall apart as you cruise along. Comments?
Does taking a DIR-F classify someone as technical?
I met Mike Ferrara at a cave where we were doing technical diving. I had two wings, he had one. We agree to disagree on the point.
Mike, have you tried to hold stops wearing 104's and a couple of stages using a drysuit? It's not very fun.
As a side note, every time I backmount cow, my inflator button sticks in dump mode. It's really a bummer.
I met Mike Ferrara at a cave where we were doing technical diving. I had two wings, he had one. We agree to disagree on the point.
Mike, have you tried to hold stops wearing 104's and a couple of stages using a drysuit? It's not very fun.
As a side note, every time I backmount cow, my inflator button sticks in dump mode. It's really a bummer.
I've never had a wing totally fail. As I related before, my wife has though. The dive was just getting started so there wasn't any required decompression but she had a tough time anyway. I have only done it for short periods of time for "practice". I can see it being a real PITA in some situations even with a "balanced" rig.
I don't use a second wing now but I don't promise not to ever use one.
After crawling into Cow it took a while to get the sand out of my drysuit deflator. Sidemount guys keep telling me that the restriction isn't small but it sure seems small to me. LOL
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