Gue Vs Tdi

[Boogie711]

I received my Trimix training from Divetek Adventures in Kona HI, a TDI Facility that promotes itself as "DIR Compliant" (new buzzword?) . . .while probably not as rigorous or stressful as a full-blown GUE Tech Class, nevertheless I was impressed by their meticulous preparation, instruction and demonstration of the DIR Philosophy. FWIW, another such TDI Facility has opened up on Oahu and is currently offering Fundies Classes: http://www.hawaiitechnicaldivers.com/. . .

Kev.

OK - I don't mean this to sound as snotty as it probably does but:

Why on earth would anyone pay money for a "Fundies Class" or "DIR Compliant Instruction" when the shop is CLEARLY not affiliated with the folks who deliver that training in the first place?

I mean - you have the option of paying x dollars and getting the real thing, or paying even MORE dollars and getting the 'wannabe' stuff. And it's obviously 'wannabe' or they'd advertise it to the consumer using their own terms, not something pirated from GUE.

And it's an assumption, I'll grant you - but it has to be more money. You can take Fundies and Tech One, or, you can take:
Advanced Nitrox
Deco Procedures
Entry Level Trimix
Nitrox Blender
Trimix Blender....

just to get the same thing... with folks who aren't willing to market the training on their own terms????

I just don't get it. Who are they trying to fool?

 

[Matthew]

Boogie,

Did you see the website? It is mentioned once on the homepage that they incorporate DIR philosophy in their courses, and I cant see anything wrong with that. But there's no mention of DIR in the course descriptions. Or did I miss something?

 

[jonnythan]

Boogie,

Did you see the website? It is mentioned once on the homepage that they incorporate DIR philosophy in their courses, and I cant see anything wrong with that. But there's no mention of DIR in the course descriptions. Or did I miss something?

Out of curiosity, it might be interesting to fire off an email to their instructors and see what level of GUE education they all have.

 

[wb416]

[snip]

And it's an assumption, I'll grant you - but it has to be more money. You can take Fundies and Tech One, or, you can take:
Advanced Nitrox
Deco Procedures
Entry Level Trimix
Nitrox Blender
Trimix Blender....

[snip]

Hello Jeff,
When are we getting together for dinner dude?

Don't kid yourself.... Tech 1 is NOT the equivalent of Nitrox & Trimix Gas Blender. My Tech 1 really didn't touch on blending, except for pointing out percentages needed.

I was glad I had taken an N & T Blending class beforehand, because my Tech 1 was heavily focused on the diving skills, deco, and planning required... which actually suited me just fine! However, anyone hoping to come out of Tech 1 as an competent blender (like a I felt I was after Steve Lewis' Blending Class) would be sorely disappointed. N & T blender certs also qualify you to do gasses for others (with proper insurance, etc).

Not to go on a tangent, but just wanted to clarify that point.

YMMV,
bob

 

[nova]

contrary to the popular opinion, there is nothing that a gue diver can do that a TDI diver can't do. The whole GUE vs.TDI is just a ploy to make the GUE divers feel like they got the best training money could buy. But in the end, does it REALLY matter. and who really cares. I know this will hurt someones feeling ,but the truth hurts

 

[Kevrumbo]

OK - I don't mean this to sound as snotty as it probably does but:

Why on earth would anyone pay money for a "Fundies Class" or "DIR Compliant Instruction" when the shop is CLEARLY not affiliated with the folks who deliver that training in the first place?

I mean - you have the option of paying x dollars and getting the real thing, or paying even MORE dollars and getting the 'wannabe' stuff. And it's obviously 'wannabe' or they'd advertise it to the consumer using their own terms, not something pirated from GUE.

And it's an assumption, I'll grant you - but it has to be more money. You can take Fundies and Tech One, or, you can take:
Advanced Nitrox
Deco Procedures
Entry Level Trimix
Nitrox Blender
Trimix Blender....

just to get the same thing... with folks who aren't willing to market the training on their own terms????

I just don't get it. Who are they trying to fool?

They're not trying to fool anyone. . .
http://www.oahuscubadiving.com/index.php?/courses/dir_f/
So while the professional affiliation is not there (yet?), give them some credit: at least they're sponsoring a bonafide GUE Fundamentals Course. And yes it will cost dearly for this type of warm-water training in a relatively isolated setting (everything in Hawaii is expensive!), but some of us "wannabe's" may think well worth of it. . .
Kev.

 

[JeffG]

contrary to the popular opinion, there is nothing that a gue diver can do that a TDI diver can't do.

True (and in terms of "Cert Level. TDI Adv Nitrox/Deco Proc/Entry Trimix "allows" for deeper dives (150 vs 200) and a greater choice of deco mixes. (50% only vs up to 100%)

The whole GUE vs.TDI is just a ploy to make the GUE divers feel like they got the best training money could buy.

But you might have to search longer to find a good TDI instructor (or worst case find a bad one, but one that you think is good)

I know one TDI instructor that I would choose over a GUE instructor, but he doesn't teach much anymore. I do know of a few TDI instructors that I wouldn't get my training from. I consider them to be very substandard.

So I think GUE given their smaller size and "overall" higher standards I think that there is some truth to "GUE divers feel like they got the best training money could buy"

But in the end, does it REALLY matter. and who really cares.

Someone who gets in over their head with bad training might care.

I know this will hurt someones feeling ,but the truth hurts

Not mine

 

[wb416]

True (and in terms of "Cert Level. TDI Adv Nitrox/Deco Proc/Entry Trimix "allows" for deeper dives (150 vs 200) and a greater choice of deco mixes. (50% only vs up to 100%)



But you might have to search longer to find a good TDI instructor (or worst case find a bad one, but one that you think is good)

I know one TDI instructor that I would choose over a GUE instructor, but he doesn't teach much anymore. I do know of a few TDI instructors that I wouldn't get my training from. I consider them to be very substandard.

So I think GUE given their smaller size and "overall" higher standards I think that there is some truth to "GUE divers feel like they got the best training money could buy"


Someone who gets in over their head with bad training might care.

Not mine

You may want to review your facts about Tech 1 limitations...

 

[jonnythan]

You may want to review your facts about Tech 1 limitations...

Why? Checking the GUE website he seems to be correct.

 

[JeffG]

You may want to review your facts about Tech 1 limitations...

Which parts am I wrong on? The O2? The class is taught with a max of 50% for deco, but they certify you for the 100%?