'U' v 'O' shaped wings - does it matter?

[radinator]

Count me in as another happy owner of Tobin's plate and wing. Not only are the inserts staying where they are, they have the added benefit of gripping my hog harness webbing well enough that I don't need "weight keepers" holding the webbing in place.

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

:11: Hey! Get your quotes right. I never made any reference to Tobin's plates other than to say they were my preferred option. I think it was Henryville who 'blasphemed' - he has wisely chosen to keep his head down.

Yeah, I picked up on that ... but I don't think what Henryville said was blasphemy, it was just incorrect ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[Grajan]

Carefully placed in quotes as a gentle poke at all the righteous indignation stirred up. Everyone must be as bored as me today.

Yeah, I picked up on that ... but I don't think what Henryville said was blasphemy, it was just incorrect ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[cool_hardware52]

I was well aware of Tobin's views as we had been discussing them already this morning

Graham,

Please take a look at my responses. My first post was a response to a question posed by Jonnythan, not you. His question was in my opinion different from the one you asked. It was Jonnythan's question I addressed in my first post.

I am a bit confused about what I said in my first post that needed to be refuted.

Many people may read these posts, and or participate. They didn't share in our private exchange earlier today.

You know my position, I'd rather pass on a sale, then try to talk somebody into something they are predisposed to distrust. Some people will continue to "opinion shop" until they find people that agree. We all engage in this to a certain extent, it's human nature, but it really wastes the power of the internet to research and inform.

Nobody's perfect, but I do make every effort to present the facts as I know them, as bias neutral as I know how. I'm confident that given the facts most people are quite capable of making their own choices. Every design involves compromise, some may be apparent to the end user, some may only impact the manufacturer, I just try to provide a a more complete picture.

My response to Henryville is a seperate matter. Mis information, from uninformed sources, is the bane of the Internet. An unmerited attack that both questioned the quality of my goods, and my motives, could not go unanswered.

Lots of good equipment available today, it's pretty hard to go very far wrong. Good Luck with your research, and go dive whatever you end up with.


Tobin

 

[Grajan]

Beam me up Scottie.........

Tobin,
Thanks for all your good input. You had nothing in your first thread you needed to refute. I was referring to your (quite proper) need to deal with HV's 'misunderstanding'. The debate would have probably gone better if it had remained with users experienced with both wing shapes as I initially requested but that is the wonderful anarchy of the board at work.

I managed to dig through through the debris and find out what I needed, others got some good info and a few people got some sport and their blood pressure up a bit so all-in-all a good day's work all round. The bar is open and I'm outta here :theyareon .

Graham,

I am a bit confused about what I said in my first post that needed to be refuted.

Tobin

 

[airsix]

:11: Hey! Get your quotes right. I never made any reference to Tobin's plates other than to say they were my preferred option. I think it was Henryville who 'blasphemed' - he has wisely chosen to keep his head down.

Oops! There's nothing worse than being misquoted. Sorry about that.

-Ben

 

[Mandy3206]

I feel that Tobin have all the right to refute the misinformation provided by Henryville. I don't have one of Tobins plates, but I'm thinking on buying one in the future, not that my OMS has something bad, in fact I'm very happy with it, it's just that the plastic inserts have a great appeal to me in the sense that it would save the webbing.

I find allmost all of Tobins coments very informative and accurate in all aspects refering to gear and hardware, he has a great knowledge in gear manufacturing and the machinery needed for manufacturing these gear.

Thou I haven't bought yet any of Tobins products, I respect and take into acct. his opinions very much since I've been able to confirm many of his statements first hand.

I wish many other manufacturers take time and participate in these boards to discuss the diferent themes related to these gear intensive sport.

Tobin, keep up the good work buddy.

 

[Mandy3206]

I got both, one donut shaped DR Travel Wing and one U shaped OMS 45# Bungied Wing.

The DR has the double bladder design (bladder and outer shell) and work very good, it's intended for single tank use and performs as promised by DR, my only complain is that the outher shell is made of some kind of spandex or similar material and it's not as bullet proof as my OMS outer shell, in fact the Travel Wing has many abrasions and shows some wear in the outer shell.

The OMS outer shell is very tough and shows no wear at all, the only wear is on the embroided logo patches sewn in the outer shell.

Since the OMS is tougher, I use it all the time and only use the DR for dive travel since it's smaller to pack.

I modified the DR Travel Wing by adding 2 brass gromets at a 11" spacing so I can use this wing with my BP, but normally I use it with the Trans Pack.

I've no problems venting either one, I just use the features that each provide and have no problems at all with either design.

 

[Henryville]

Henry,

I usually just bite my tonge in the face of this sort of uniformed spewage, but

You are displaying your ignorance here. Have you ever seen our plates? Are you aware that the "Plastic bits" you reference are infact overmolded directly onto the plate. By this I mean the plate is actually IN THE MOLDING MACHINE when we make them?

Do you know for a fact that individually molding 4 seperate parts, one on each corner of each plate, i.e. each plate visits the molding press 4 times, is faster and cheaper than passing the plate over our deburring bench? Wow I'm impressed, you must have acces to our time studies, and found something I missed........

Deburring is a chore, so much so infact I built a special machine to do it, as we still have to deburr the tank strap slots and the other penetrations in our plate. I can guarrantee you I can deburr a plate faster than I can cycle a molding machine 4 times.

Fall out? They can't, they are part of the plate!

Why do I bother? It makes a better product.


Tobin

Tobin, If I was factually incorrect about what I said, sorry, I accept the gracious correction.

I use and like some of your products (a couple of which you were nice enough to send me gratis,) and recommend them to others, so don't take my post as an attack on your business.

Do you deburr the slots for the harness?

It's great that you have found a plastic formulation and manufacturing process such that over the useful life of the plate the moldings will never break, wear out or separate from the steel substrate.

Grajan, good luck with your decision. The good news is we are talking about real or perceived minor differences when compare to the big difference between a traditional jacket BC and the BP/wing configuration. You won't go wrong, whatever your choice.

 

[The Kraken]

I wish I had plastic inserts for the slots on the B/P's that I make . . . :17:

That is REALLY a VERY NICE TOUCH, Tobin.

the K