The Third Dive: The Death of Rob Stewart

[lv2dive]

Let me be very clear - I’m passing judgement on you and your lack of journalistic integrity. I was living in High Springs FL part time when Carlos died, and I was very aware of what happened. In my opinion, your Huffington post article was clickbait / sensationalism. I have no reason to believe this “documentary” will be any different.

Kate

As always, its a pleasure to see the musings of the critics who, though they have not seen the documentary, feel very confident in passing judgement. "Same as it ever was" to quote David Byrne. I will, however, keep this forum posted on events related to the documentary for those who actually take the time to look and think. Starting with our FB page.

The Third Dive

 

[Rosborne]

Certainly interesting. You found it fascinating in a completely different way I'm sure. I've been running charter boats in the keys for 20 years. I've seen all kinds of skill levels and attitudes. Not much a paper tiger does surprises me any more.

Apologies but I'm not following what you're trying to say. What do you mean by "not much a paper tiger does surprises me any more?" I was interested in much of what Wilkerson had to say, not the least were his affirmations that while all hell was breaking lose he asked Brock Cahill, the only one not occupied, to keep an eye on Stewart. Clearly he did not. Frankly, all of the depositions from the people who were on board that day changed quit a bit from what they said on the night of the accident. An old cop friend of mine says what people say in the immediate aftermath is always more reliable because they have not had a chance to be coached or rethink their story.

 

[Rosborne]

Let me be very clear - I’m passing judgement on you and your lack of journalistic integrity. I was living in High Springs FL part time when Carlos died, and I was very aware of what happened. In my opinion, your Huffington post article was clickbait / sensationalism. I have no reason to believe this “documentary” will be any different.

Kate

Let me be equally clear. I don't give a care what you think. I'm sure you believe the scraps of rumor and gossip that you heard are more reliable than the 18 months of research that I did, and that is your right. But I trust in the fact that I read all court documents, every deposition given by a person on board either the boat that lost Stewart or found him, all police reports, the Navy report, I spoke with virtually everyone on board the boat and whenever I ran into something I wasn't sure of I pulled in expert opinions (Steve Lewis and Neal Pollock, etc.) But I'm sure you're scraps are more accurate.

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[Rosborne]

How may we watch it in the US?

There will be a U.S. broadcast. But the documentary was commissioned by the CBC so they get the first kick at the can. After that broadcast on October 26th then we can start setting up something in the U.S. Actually we've already begun and there's a lot of interest. So I think it won't be more than a month or so. I'll keep you posted.

The Third Dive: The Death of Rob Stewart

 

[Wookie]

Apologies but I'm not following what you're trying to say. What do you mean by "not much a paper tiger does surprises me any more?" I was interested in much of what Wilkerson had to say, not the least were his affirmations that while all hell was breaking lose he asked Brock Cahill, the only one not occupied, to keep an eye on Stewart. Clearly he did not. Frankly, all of the depositions from the people who were on board that day changed quit a bit from what they said on the night of the accident. An old cop friend of mine says what people say in the immediate aftermath is always more reliable because they have not had a chance to be coached or rethink their story.

A Paper Tiger is a captain who got his time signed off without actually completing 720 8 hour days at sea, and went to a class to get a captain's license instead of using their 720 days of experience to know and understand how to operate a vessel. They speak of Williamson turns, where any ship driver would know that a Williamson turn is a tool for 15,000 TEU single screw container ships, not for 6 pack dive boats. The keys are full of them. They aren't mariners, they drive boats.

 

[SCUBAwithMitch]

Apologies but I'm not following what you're trying to say. What do you mean by "not much a paper tiger does surprises me any more?" I was interested in much of what Wilkerson had to say, not the least were his affirmations that while all hell was breaking lose he asked Brock Cahill, the only one not occupied, to keep an eye on Stewart. Clearly he did not. Frankly, all of the depositions from the people who were on board that day changed quit a bit from what they said on the night of the accident. An old cop friend of mine says what people say in the immediate aftermath is always more reliable because they have not had a chance to be coached or rethink their story.

This is ABSOLUTELY inaccurate and I would have to question this was actually said by a police officer that has EVER interviewed a witness.

First, eye witness testimony is horrible from the outset. Most people just don't pay attention to details and any skill they have in that department diminishes due to the anxiety felt during an incident.

Second, it has been proven repeatedly that fine details of any critical incident is much clearer 72 hours after. This is the reason officers are not interviewed for 72 hours after a critical incident.

I dont know you or your journalistic abilities, but it is patently obvious your research abilities are seriously flawed.

 

[lv2dive]

I didn’t have to rely on rumor or gossip, as I actually knew the people involved... the instructor who did the analysis for the police and some of the friends Carlos was staying with. Plus I was acquaintances with Carlos’ dive buddies and spoke directly with one of them about the incident. Which is why I know your Ginnie story was comprised of the exact same organic material that comes out of my dogs anus and I could care less what you report on this story.

Let me be equally clear. I don't give a care what you think. I'm sure you believe the scraps of rumor and gossip that you heard are more reliable than the 18 months of research that I did, and that is your right. But I trust in the fact that I read all court documents, every deposition given by a person on board either the boat that lost Stewart or found him, all police reports, the Navy report, I spoke with virtually everyone on board the boat and whenever I ran into something I wasn't sure of I pulled in expert opinions (Steve Lewis and Neal Pollock, etc.) But I'm sure you're scraps are more accurate.

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[Rosborne]

I didn’t have to rely on rumor or gossip, as I actually knew the people involved... the instructor who did the analysis for the police and some of the friends Carlos was staying with. Plus I was acquaintances with Carlos’ dive buddies and spoke directly with one of them about the incident. Which is why I know your Ginnie story was comprised of the exact same organic material that comes out of my dogs anus and I could care less what you report on this story.

Actually I was referring to my work on the Rob Stewart case. But if you want to bring up Carlos' case again, by all means. There was no police report. That statement is made of the same stuff your dog produces. I interviewed the police several times trying to find out what they had done. The end result--nothing. They didn't seize the equipment, they didn't test the gas, they didn't interview witnesses. They just took what the local good old boys said was fact and went with it. At the end of the day nobody can say 100% what killed Carlos because nobody did any real forensic examination of the body or the equipment.

 

[Rosborne]

A Paper Tiger is a captain who got his time signed off without actually completing 720 8 hour days at sea, and went to a class to get a captain's license instead of using their 720 days of experience to know and understand how to operate a vessel. They speak of Williamson turns, where any ship driver would know that a Williamson turn is a tool for 15,000 TEU single screw container ships, not for 6 pack dive boats. The keys are full of them. They aren't mariners, they drive boats.

Now that is interesting. That certainly hasn't come out in any cross examination in the depositions yet.

 

[Rosborne]

This is ABSOLUTELY inaccurate and I would have to question this was actually said by a police officer that has EVER interviewed a witness.

First, eye witness testimony is horrible from the outset. Most people just don't pay attention to details and any skill they have in that department diminishes due to the anxiety felt during an incident.

Second, it has been proven repeatedly that fine details of any critical incident is much clearer 72 hours after. This is the reason officers are not interviewed for 72 hours after a critical incident.

I dont know you or your journalistic abilities, but it is patently obvious your research abilities are seriously flawed.

I'm just quoting a man with 40 years experience as a homicide investigator for the Ontario Provincial Police. But I'm sure you must know better.