Pace of Cave Diving Instructional Progress

[diverdoug1]

You have picked a very technical definition of what constitutes a cave. I dive at a bridge which blocks direct sunlight, but it doesn’t make it a cave. At Jug Hole you can be in open water but out of direct sunlight… .QUOTE] A bridge that blocks the sunlight is not an overhead environment. Just as a dive at devil den is an OW dive if you stay in the area where there is open air directly overhead.

A cavern dive becomes a cave dive if any of the folowing violated.
1. exceeding 70' depth
2. going greater than 130 linear feet from the surface
3. going in an area where there is not direct sunlight visible.
(this list is not all inclusive of all conditions delineating a cave dive)

The definition of a cave is technical, as is the type of diving required to dive those areas with less risk. You can bend the rules as you wish, but those still are the rules. You may not feel they are of value, others do.

 

[karstdvr]

To be fair, the 5 rules are very far outdated.

I wouldn't call them outdated,but needing some modernization. The basic rules have served well,but there could be some axioms added to this list. You bring up solo diving,and should that be on there? In fairness it should with a better definition. I think something that has been around a long time,"don't dive with strokes" should be on there. I might take this to mean don't dive with someone that is unsafe or reckless. There is good advice in these tenants,and having a longer list wouldn't be a bad thing.

 

[Xenia]

With the huge quantity of solo diving deaths why don't we add that?

What is your statistical basis for wanting that added?

 

[PfcAJ]

Didnt Bozanic try and add solo to the list? It should be on there, imo.

 

[Xenia]

Didnt Bozanic try and add solo to the list? It should be on there, imo.

You are entitled to your opinion.

We are talking about statistical data here. And for anyone that knows some elementary statistics these data is flawed. It is actually statistically easier to prove that solo diving is safer than diving with buddies.

 

[PfcAJ]

Go on....

 

[JamesK]

Didnt Bozanic try and add solo to the list? It should be on there, imo.

I am pretty sure he did. I had his presentation somewhere, but I can't seem to find it anymore.

 

[PfcAJ]

I think its on the IUCRR website somewhere

 

[Xenia]

Statistically there are more fatalities involved with buddies than solo divers. Now prove the null that it is not statistically safer to solo dive.

JamesK, this is just a presentation of conclusions. Where is the actual data, the numbers, the individual cases where Bozanic extracted these data? If you find it please post it... but I highly doubt you will. Bozanic has had multiple requests to reveal the data from which he extracts his conclusions but he has not.

 

[PfcAJ]

Statistically? Or there are just more? How many buddy dives are undertaken, and how many solo dives are undertaken? Where's YOUR data?

I'm fluent in science and statistics, btw, so I can play the game.