Is Deep Air / Light Deco (bounce?) Discussible on ScubaBoard?

[MauiScubaSteve]

John, get off the "single tank stuff"! No one should advocate doing any dive with any amount of air/gas that won't be enough. As I said on another thread, I take 50% more gas that I plan to need.

I think there is actually a place for single tank discussions, with competent buddy teams like described by Thal, and larger than 80 cft tanks. There are probably a few female instructors in my pond that have hit 160'-180', as a team, with single 63 cft's, and returned quickly to shallower than 80' where the remainder of the multi-level dive was over 30 minutes.

If one looks closely at my OP, I did not indicate this discussion "should be" about single tank. In order to help those most in need of help, it is possible that subject should also be discussed.

 

[MauiScubaSteve]

My bad. 131'. Better?

And you've got yourself to blame for this train wreck.....all the damage was done long before I first posted.

Personally, I would point to Jax and my stalker as the likely "engineers" of the trains that wrecked.

 

[DiveNav]

......Dive with extreme aggression and little prudence and you might find that charter boats and potential dive buddies become 'mysteriously busy' as reputation proceeds you....

What have you been smoking when you wrote this?
In the example of a "Deep Air (Light Deco" dive I posted, I was the diver with the most conservative profile as I was always few feet shallower than the rest of the group (except the tunnel portion).

Again, you - and several others here -missed the point of my post. :shocked2:
Instead of telling me what tank should I use or how I should I dive, let's discuss the fact that every day - as in my example - that are OW divers performing "Deep Air (Light Deco)" dives - and in same cases they don't even know about it (see the lady in my example).

BTW, it looks like this is the most discussed thread these days

Alberto (aka eDiver)

 

[Moonglow]

Steve, I do not do bounce dives and do not advocate doing them-- too much can go wrong; example:

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While I have access to helium and the training involved, I have done deep air dives as to learn how it's done safely. On this thread, I'm just remarking that diving on air is done every day.

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

But I would counter that, as with nearly all my threads; it was never a "do" or "not do" - I point out that something is being done, and for many pages the ScubaBoard "authorities" say "do not do it" and by the end of the thread I have been painted as the leader of the "do" pack, even when there is not a "do" pack.

Other members who make the mistake of being honest and agreeing with some controversial "report from the front" of mine, also run the risk of being false accused as being part of the "do" pack.

As far as I saw, in numerous deep air threads, knowone never took any position even closely resembling "yes, divers should bounce dive deep air". At most he twisted haiku implied that like many with over 35 years of diving, he has perhaps been single air tank below 130'.

Perhaps I actually have a hard time with ScubaBoard "authorities" making false accusations about me and attacking my character based on said false accusations, repeatedly.



Speaking of kicking people around, here is a nice quote from a kicking expert that perhaps strikes me solidly in the shin ...

I've come to accept that the life of a front runner is a hard one, that he will suffer more injuries than most men and that many of these injuries will not be accidental.

I get it now ... this is the "Occupy ScubaBoard" movement ...

"I speak for the 99%"
"The ScubaBoard "authorities" are out to get me"

Etc.

Seriously?

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[ScubaSteve]

First, "light deco" is deco.

Second, deep air dives (bounce) are done safely thousands of times a day worldwide. That said, as an active NAUI recreational and technical instructor I teach to NAUI standards and recommend them.

See where the confusion originates? I was taking this as a Bounce dive discussion not a deep air thread.



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[boulderjohn]

John, get off the "single tank stuff"! No one should advocate doing any dive with any amount of air/gas that won't be enough. As I said on another thread, I take 50% more gas that I plan to need.

Then i am really baffled, be asue it seems to me that single tank bounce dives are exactly what people like VDGM have been advocating in this and many other threads. If we are just talking about deep air dives with standard technical diving protocols, that is a different issue altogether.

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

Then i am really baffled, be asue it seems to me that single tank bounce dives are exactly what people like VDGM have been advocating in this and many other threads. If we are just talking about deep air dives with standard technical diving protocols, that is a different issue altogether.

Well, the thread title did specifically include bounce diving ... but the initial post didn't ...

I'm interested in discussing whether or not an adult discussion with regards to light deco deeper than 40 m air diving could benefit the never going to tech dive but probably will dive air deeper than 40 m divers in the world.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[boulderjohn]

Well, the thread title did specifically include bounce diving ... but the initial post didn't ...

I'm interested in discussing whether or not an adult discussion with regards to light deco deeper than 40 m air diving could benefit the never going to tech dive but probably will dive air deeper than 40 m divers in the world.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

I am guessing that you just copied his definition of bounce diving.

 

[Moonglow]

It's a risky dive profile, but single AL80 deep air bounce dives are done safely every day, we all know this. I don't do such a dive; but, what other divers do, divers do...