I died because of my slate - looking for articles/info on slate abbrev.

[diverbob]

I bet you just heard another woooooooosh didn't you.


I love it...."Oh you're one of them.....boo hoo"

Why don't you just respond to the comments in the post instead of crying in your milk?

I could care less that you are "one of them." There is some good merit and ideas to that way of diving. See, I'm open to others ideas. Try it sometime. I'm done arguing with another cyberdiver.

Back to the point of the thread for me.

 

[JeffG]

Basic 40% nitrox can kill you at recreational depth too.

An Alum 80 with 40% on your back, diving to 80 ft

or

Diving Air to 130, with an AL40 of 40% on your side.


Do you see a difference?

 

[JeffG]

I'm done arguing with another cyberdiver.

<snicker> You call that arguing?

 

[24940]

I apologize, you are right, and we are wrong.

Nice work, Jeff.

Some day, he might understand why you were right and he was wrong, but then again, maybe not.

 

[ONESPEED]

I'm done arguing with another cyberdiver.

Jeff is hardly a cyberdiver.

 

[JeffG]

Nice work, Jeff.

Some day, he might understand why you were right and he was wrong, but then again, maybe not.

But he did get to say "You're one of them....."


LOL

 

[battles2a5]

Gas switching is for technical diving. It has no use outside of it.

ergo...you don't need a class to be certified for it, when it has no use.

But maybe someone can use it for their Master Scuba Diver Badge.



Step back for one second....

You get a card (Apprentice Tec level)...what's it useful for?

If this class was sold as a workshop? would it have the same use/value?

I'm trying to rationalize this without actually defending it. Again, not a fan of the program but I see some sense in breaking it into levels. I am sure the gas switching is not the ONLY skill you learn in the program. Without looking at the actual course content, it is a safe bet to assume that they teach gas planning, dive planning, equipment configuration, not sure about streamlining/propulsion/trim but it should be, shooting a bag, etc. etc. So after it all, you have acheived a stepping stone to a full tech cert and have an opportunity to refine your skills before finishing the class and actually getting into the overhead. You don't have to stop there, but you can.

This happens in just about every facet in technical dive training. For instance, Trimix used to be "Trimix". Now, you have rec triox, then advanced recreational trimix, then normoxic trimix, then advanced trimix. Cave used to be "Cave". Now you have cavern, then intro to cave, then apprentice, then full cave. The almightly buck drives some of this, but I think the industry is trying to limit the exposure to students by building a pregressive approach to this training. Which you need nowadays. It used to be you couldn't take a trimix class until you had 500 dives and got a recommendation. Now you can do it with a handful of dives. This is a vehicle to prevent people from killing themselves until they've purchased all 5 $800 classes

 

[diverbob]

I "died" yesterday on dive 5 of the DSAT Tec 1 course. Actually I died twice, once because I switched to the wrong gas and second because I omitted 10 minutes of deco. I also killed my teammate because I think he let me persuade him that he was confused, not I.

In reviewing my slate today I became very confused about what I had written/planned. I'm convinced the reason for my deaths are solely attributable to the way I wrote my slate. I'd really like to find some articles or other info on good ways to write up technical dive plans on slates. All I can find when I search is advertisements for slates.

Thanks

What was it that confused you on your slate? Couldn't read something you wrote, or your numbers across started to run together?

 

[JeffG]

I'm trying to rationalize this without actually defending it. Again, not a fan of the program but I see some sense in breaking it into levels.

It can work if the levels are split into logical divisions.

I am sure the gas switching is not the ONLY skill you learn in the program. Without looking at the actual course content, it is a safe bet to assume that they teach gas planning, dive planning, equipment configuration, not sure about streamlining/propulsion/trim but it should be, shooting a bag, etc. etc. So after it all, you have acheived a stepping stone to a full tech cert and have an opportunity to refine your skills before finishing the class and actually getting into the overhead. You don't have to stop there, but you can.

Have you seen the DSAT video's?

(Note: Thats not totally fair...I'm sure there are some good DSAT/PADI Tech instructors)

This happens in just about every facet in technical dive training. For instance, Trimix used to be "Trimix". Now, you have rec triox, then advanced recreational trimix, then normoxic trimix, then advanced trimix. Cave used to be "Cave". Now you have cavern, then intro to cave, then apprentice, then full cave. The almightly buck drives some of this, but I think the industry is trying to limit the exposure to students by building a pregressive approach to this training. Which you need nowadays. It used to be you couldn't take a trimix class until you had 500 dives and got a recommendation. Now you can do it with a handful of dives. This is a vehicle to prevent people from killing themselves until they've purchased all 5 $800 classes

But each of these levels, allows the diver to expand his/her dive horizon.

Taking a O2 rich bottle to depth, so that you can "extend" the ndl when you get shallow seems to me to be a very weak reason.

 

[ScubaAndDreams]

Thanks for keeping me entertained at work...while JeffG doesn't express his ideas in what most would term "eloquent" and/or "nice" imho his bottomline is correct. Though he is correct, unfortunatley without stating the "why's" in more detail it comes across like a rant...

Time to glue that patch on my CCR...