General Vortex Incident Discussion

[Hetland]

If you read the comments below the news story, the second to last comment is as follows:

Posted by: Shelby McDaniel Location: Collierville, Tn on Sep 13, 2010 at 11:24 PM

"It is apparent to me that reporter, Meagan O'Halloran is being informed by Vortex Management ideas to plant in peoples minds purposely trying to get everyone to thinking the unthinkable and unrealistic notion my son is not even in the cave-----which is absurb and riduculous. The situation whould have been avoided altogether if the employee who opened the gate for Ben as Ben was entering and the employee was exiting if the employee had stopped Ben immediately and escorted him out. And to AL suggesting a stupid Houdini trick, you have a warped sense of humor and you must not care for human life or you must not have kids or you would exhaust every means possibe to recover them. I feel sorry for you."

I do not think they are denying that Ben died because he did something he was untrained to do.

Looks like it to me...

 

[Kevin Carlisle]

Let them think they will get people to dive. The best tried and there was nothing to be found. Divers who are trained will look at who went and the results and know there is nothing to be found. They can either accept it ot they can't. If they can find someone who thinks they can do better than the guys that went, more power to them. At least I know my friends won't be going back.

If you read the comments below the news story, the second to last comment is as follows:

Experts Don't Believe Missing Diver is Actually in Cave at Vortex Springs

Posted by: Shelby McDaniel Location: Collierville, Tn on Sep 13, 2010 at 11:24 PM

"It is apparent to me that reporter, Meagan O'Halloran is being informed by Vortex Management ideas to plant in peoples minds purposely trying to get everyone to thinking the unthinkable and unrealistic notion my son is not even in the cave-----which is absurb and riduculous. The situation whould have been avoided altogether if the employee who opened the gate for Ben as Ben was entering and the employee was exiting if the employee had stopped Ben immediately and escorted him out. And to AL suggesting a stupid Houdini trick, you have a warped sense of humor and you must not care for human life or you must not have kids or you would exhaust every means possibe to recover them. I feel sorry for you."

I feel terrible for the family, but there still seems to be extremely different views of this story. There is implied fault with Vortex Springs employee, and denial of facts concerning tampered gate. Above all is the absolute denial of the expert's opinions concerning missing diver NOT being in the cave. I fear that this is all far from over, that the family will beg to have divers continue into the cave looking for a body, and that they will produce one, in the form of a would be recovery hero.

 

[Jax]

Let them think they will get people to dive. The best tried and there was nothing to be found. Divers who are trained will look at who went and the results and know there is nothing to be found. They can either accept it ot they can't. If they can find someone who thinks they can do better than the guys that went, more power to them. At least I know my friends won't be going back.

That would be a blessing, Kev, but there might be some "would-be hero" that tries to tackle the cave, someone not familiar with the cave. Not good for anyone.

 

[Kevin Carlisle]

That would be a blessing, Kev, but there might be some "would-be hero" that tries to tackle the cave, someone not familiar with the cave. Not good for anyone.

Well more power to them. Before they do they better go to Edd and pay for a guided dive and request him to show them what tight nasty stuff is. I gaurantee they won't like what he normally dives.

 

[Jax]

Well more power to them. Before they do they better go to Edd and pay for a guided dive and request him to show them what tight nasty stuff is. I gaurantee they won't like what he normally dives.

Now that's what I call a glowing recommendation!! :kiss2:

 

[vshearer]

Are there any other sinks or holes really close nearby that he might have gone into?

 

[cruiser]

Shelby is the father btw......

Thanks.

 

[Texas Torpedo]

They do point out safeguards that possibly could have prevented this from happening.

There is no safeguard that was going to prevent this type of thing from happening. He wanted to go into a cave and he did. If it wasn't Vortex, it would have been another system. The only real safeguard is common sense (and training), and that is what failed in this case.

 

[lurk-n-learn]

Thanks.

You are welcome :blinking:

 

[Mark Michaud SELAUSAR]

Well more power to them. Before they do they better go to Edd and pay for a guided dive and request him to show them what tight nasty stuff is. I gaurantee they won't like what he normally dives.

Kevin, I think most will turn when they hit the low section and that is an easy part. I think there is also a line of thinking that this cave is like others. It seems some think it is a large cave with lots of offshoots and such, when in reality it is pretty small with only a few offshoots. I don't think it is possible for a diver to get anywhere that is out of the the flow like Telford. If the recovery divers, espacially after 6 days, didn't smell, or actually taste, a decomposing body back there, it means no one is there. Anyone standing around would have overheard that conversation. Any other public safety divers here can assure that will happen. This cave is not big enough for someone to get out of the flow....it just isn't.