General Vortex Incident Discussion

[ucfdiver]

The last few hundred feet of lined cave there is incredibly tight and silty, so it'd have to be able to be pushed several hundred feet with twists, turns, ups and downs if a cave diver is going to have to manipulate it(and I suppose see whats actually going on in front of it)...

...and you'd still need a camera + housing rated for 160' that is small enough to push through the restrictions.

And a battery pack + lights, which are heavy, so that limits how far you can stick that pole...

 

[SC_Hoaty]

Camera discussion - I started a thread here http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/research-development/352249-camera-use-vortex.html#post5474730 because it is sure to get some tangents that only a handful of folks on this thread are interested in.

 

[Meister481]

The last few hundred feet of lined cave there is incredibly tight and silty, so it'd have to be able to be pushed several hundred feet with twists, turns, ups and downs if a cave diver is going to have to manipulate it(and I suppose see whats actually going on in front of it)...

...and you'd still need a camera + housing rated for 160' that is small enough to push through the restrictions.

Even if you could get the system back there, the diver would be in a cramped space trying to maneuver a camera system on a pole into a watery void. The silt would stir and the camera could get covered with that nasty muck in there. Why even try? There's no way he could get 8" tanks back there. He's a big boy as well.

There has to be another explanation, such as that he's buried or gone all together.

 

[Texas Torpedo]

How about a new thread for conspiracy theories? ;p

"Possible killer on the loose, picking off solo cave divers at night.. Is it a crime or are they lost in a cave?"

If this guy is pulling a hoax, I'd hate to be him when it is found out.. Talk about pariah diver, to say the least..

 

[boulderjohn]

If this guy is pulling a hoax, I'd hate to be him when it is found out.. Talk about pariah diver, to say the least..

If it is a hoax, he has to have a serious reason to attempt it, and if it is found out, that serious reason, whatever it may be, will make being a pariah diver the least of his concerns.

 

[ScubaSteve]

Would there not be some very serious charges brought upon him after all the officials/departments (such as the FBI, local LE etc.) that have been involved? What would those charges likely be?

 

[BDSC]

Would there not be some very serious charges brought upon him after all the officials/departments (such as the FBI, local LE etc.) that have been involved? What would those charges likely be?

I tried to look this up but didn't seem to find a clear cut answer. From what I was able to read, if no one profits in any way like collecting life insurance or whatever, it may not be an actual crime.

 

[KY_BOB]

Would there not be some very serious charges brought upon him after all the officials/departments (such as the FBI, local LE etc.) that have been involved? What would those charges likely be?

The first thing that comes to my mind is wanton endangerment. This is from the Kentucky Revised Statutes. I would assume that it's similar in other states:

508.060 Wanton endangerment in the first degree.
(1) A person is guilty of wanton endangerment in the first degree when, under circumstances manifesting extreme indifference to the value of human life, he wantonly engages in conduct which creates a substantial danger of death or serious physical injury to another person.
(2) Wanton endangerment in the first degree is a Class D felony.
Effective: January 1, 1975
History: Created 1974 Ky. Acts ch. 406, sec. 70, effective January 1, 1975

If this is a hoax. He most certainly had "extreme indifference to the value of human life" with respect to the recovery divers that have been risking their lives.


I'm not an attorney or cave diver so take my post at face value. I've just been following this from the beginning because I was in FL taking a cavern course at the time that it happened.

 

[boulderjohn]

I tried to look this up but didn't seem to find a clear cut answer. From what I was able to read, if no one profits in any way like collecting life insurance or whatever, it may not be an actual crime.

Only a very, very seriously mentally ill person would do this as a joke. He would have to be running from something, and that something would have to catch him if he shows up somewhere.

 

[LiteHedded]

if he's in there, good for him. he ain't coming back out. he did a heck of a job.