General Vortex Incident Discussion

[SuPrBuGmAn]

Think back - - - - How many times did you go to the fence at Vortex before you became cave certified??????

Not even once Can I call him a dumbass?

Swimming into The Piano Room BAD SCENARIO
1. Lights OFF;Line-Back is a thech pipe laying on a botom
2. Air OFF; air-pockets in a ceilling

The PVC pipe is on the floor, the air pockets are on the ceiling, and the lights off?? You didn't really think that through did ya there chief?

 

[Dive-aholic]

After reading through all of the posts on this subject, it is obvious that the issue at hand here is the failure of this diver to to get proper training and to follow the five basic rules of cave diving. I am hoping to complete my full cave class this winter. During the classes that I have taken to this point and a majority of the practice sessions that I have done since then is line handling. After watching a number of videos that had links in this particular forum, I noticed that there seemed to be a missing element. That being a continuos line. I may have just missed it, but in the video of the extreme side mount diving taken at Rock Bluff posted by Cavediver, I did not see any line at all. Is there a time when your skill level allows you to forgo the placement of a continuos line, or are the divers in these videos breaking one of the basic rules. Obviously these are very talented individuals, but if they are not using a line, is there a legitimate reason?

There is no skill level or legitimate reason to not have a continuous guideline out of the cave. There have been a few deaths of very experienced cave divers because they became complacent and thought they didn't need to place a jump spool.

 

[Tom Smedley]

Realize that English is not his primary language and look at what he means rather than the way it comes out. Learn to speak Lithuanian or Russian or German as well as he does English. Then free dive to the fence at Vortex loll around in the piano room and exit with one breath like he does and then you can call him a dumbass. Take the time to sit and talk with him for a while and you may learn something.

Not even once Can I call him a dumbass?



The PVC pipe is on the floor, the air pockets are on the ceiling, and the lights off?? You didn't really think that through did ya there chief?

 

[LiteHedded]

Realize that English is not his primary language and look at what he means rather than the way it comes out. Learn to speak Lithuanian or Russian or German as well as he does English. Then free dive to the fence at Vortex loll around in the piano room and exit with one breath like he does and then you can call him a dumbass. Take the time to sit and talk with him for a while and you may learn something.

get a room.

 

[Tortuga68]

 

[SuPrBuGmAn]

Realize that English is not his primary language and look at what he means rather than the way it comes out. Learn to speak Lithuanian or Russian or German as well as he does English. Then free dive to the fence at Vortex loll around in the piano room and exit with one breath like he does and then you can call him a dumbass. Take the time to sit and talk with him for a while and you may learn something.

Tom... If I want to learn Lithuanian, Russian, or German; he might be the one to talk to. He is not the one to talk to about Cave diving, on a breath hold, or not. Cave Diving is what we're talking about here.

 

[diverdoug1]

I would say that freedivng overhead environments is ill-advised.

 

[Cave Diver]

I would say that freedivng overhead environments is ill-advised.

Agreed. I recall a death not long ago from a bunch of college kids I believe. Several of them were free diving into a cave entrance. One of them didnt make it back out and was found just a few feet from the exit, if I remember right.

 

[spector39]

OK Now ABOUT TANKs.
12 Sept about noon I did talked to Eduardo T.
He stated; It was 3 SCUBA tanks left by Lost-Cave-Diver.
2 Tanks where in a basin almoust floating and empty. By that reason 2tanks where removed from basin.
1 Tank in a cave tonnel (this tank is on my video)
YouTube - # 1 Lost Diver The PianoRoom
Please exuse my wrong statement on a video to whom it (Tank) belong

Thanks, that confirms what I was thinking, that that was Ben's tank and not the teams. I wonder if you were the first person in the cave after him? You have good footage of the gate.

 

[KY_BOB]

I hate to bring this discussion back to it's original path but has anyone read this?

Experts Don't Believe Missing Diver is Actually in Cave at Vortex Springs

Experts Don't Believe Missing Diver is Actually in Cave at Vortex Springs
After hundreds of man-hours searching the cave, some are beginning to doubt McDaniel's body is inside. Experts cave divers say the evidence just isn't adding up.

I'll let you all read the rest, it won't copy and paste well.