Yeah that's why you teach and supervise them. No way I would just give a kid to an instructor without making sure he was comfortable and learned some skills first. Instructors aren't magical beings.
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Non professional divers taking very young children diving (even in a pool)
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Yeah that's why you teach and supervise them. No way I would just give a kid to an instructor without making sure he was comfortable and learned some skills first. Instructors aren't magical beings.
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That may be all that he heard, even though that is not what was said & not how it was presented,.. but then people have a habit of hearing only what they want to. I only said to him that it was not a good idea & went into a brief description of why it was not a good idea,.... try to educate him.
Easier said than done, as the oldest is still 2 yrs under age for a try scuba session, by standards. The youngest is 5 yrs under.
As I originally posted, he was absolutely correct that he can do what he wants outside of the shop, but it was decided that we would not facilitate that, on our part, as it could expose the business to undue risk, if something should happen, with the fact he revealed to us what he planned to do. If he had said nothing,... then without knowing,... we would have accommodated him.
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Yet you would let just an average OW diver teach? No of course we're not magical,... but with a tad bit more knowledge & skills, perhaps, than the typical open water diver. A good instructor will also know what may go wrong & how to counter it before it becomes uncontrollable.
Imagine if your kid died with an instructor then your wife asks why you didn't teach him basic skills first in your backyard pool. People would be calling you a fool. But didn't want a bunch of Internet divers to call you dangerous.
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egovenatus
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I think the guy might have been a little over his head based on the OPs description of the situation as such I understand their decision not to allow him to rent a tank. No one is required to facilitate other peoples stupidity. That said, I began diving in a pool in France at 8, with little supervision and was certified by 12 with two different agencies. Went through a legitimate course that was several nights a week, several hours a each time we met, over 3 months, multiple dives, and our open water dives were in a cold dark lake with little vis....it is what it is. Hell, by 13 I was diving to 130 feet, just as safe as everyone else was at that time as well, I could do everything my older dive partners could, many things better. Younger kids can be certified just fine and they can dive without being certified just fine as well. Christ, all this be certified or you'll die crap is a result of our litigious world, not an inability to use our brains, read a book and figure it out.
Dr. Lecter
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Yes, because the average OW diver doesn't understand that holding one's breath can cause a lung expansion problem even at pool depths. No, wait, that's the first thing every damn diver learns.
You and your shop should do whatever makes you happy, and gramps sounds like more of a hazard than most people; but coming on here and wailing about how dangerous a trained diver + kid + pool is merely makes you look like a fool.
seaseadee
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Didn't that guy who killed himself and his son at Eagles Nest use very similar rhetoric in posts here?
Yes. Cave diving in Eagles is very different from taking the kids in the backyard pool, but the principle is the same. Grandpa doesn't know what he doesn't know. The OP doesn't even know what he does know. So even if you take out her calculation of getting sued, she still did the morally correct thing. Whether grandpa is doing the morally correct thing we will never know because he's not here to justify himself. I pray for his sake he doesn't find himself in one of those very rare set of circumstances that would result in the injury or death of any of his grandkids.
The question is not what they learn. It is what they remember with infrequent practice and diving. We all have examples of divers who have forgotten a lot of the basics including this one.
A diver who was once trained is not necessarily a trained diver today.
Also some things only require a book. Somethings more than that. I read all of my dad's old flight manuals and training materials when I was a kid and understood them. Doubt if I climbed into a P-47 thunderboldt and tried to fly it I would last long.
Dr. Lecter
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Oh look, I can expound a broadly correct and entirely useless statement too. We're not talking about flying an aircraft (though I suspect you'd last just fine unless you tried to land or lost engine power) here, we're talking about a SCUBA environment where the only information that needs to be conveyed is 'Alright Junior, breathe in and out just like normal...but don't hold your breath because physics. Ok? Ok." The kid is in more danger from the pool drain's suction than the SCUBA use.
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