DevonDiver
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No, you were trying to convince the OP to not do the dive, I was trying to convince the OP that you were full of hot air and that he should ignore you.
As I said, you failed to see the perspective. If you concentrate on answering the OP's question, and leave out the petty back-stabbing and competition... then you'd do the OP more service.
But you do not have full knowledge of the risks because you've never done the dive. I have. That's a big difference in my opinion as to being able to evaluate the risks to a less-qualified diver.
Oh please... Is that the only 'victory' you can win?
I've presented a coherent rationale for assessing the dive. It's meant as a tool for divers. Your only retort seems to be "It's a grey area" or "It's difficult to catagorize".
Are you really helping the OP?.. because it looks to me like your only motivation is to prove some superiority of something - on the basis that you've done this dive before.
It's only difficult to answer within the strictures of your PADI rules. If the question were simply "is it safe to do" and not "is it safe to do within the PADI rules" then the answer would be a simple and unqualified "YES!!!".
Firstly, they are recommendations, not "rules". Recommendations made for diver safety.
Secondly, SSI make the same recommendations. You teach for them do you not? I do also.
There are many dives when you are underwater without immediate access to the surface. You are always limited by ascent rate. If you're at 130', would you really consider an "immediate ascent"?
Yes. The surface is directly accessible. You have a problem, you ascend immediately. There is no navigational issue, or obstruction to the surface.
You're supposed to be a scuba instructor... are you really so desperate as to play word games??
If it makes you happy... you win... now... can we please concentrate on educating and advising divers properly?
DAN USA will certainly "pay up" if there were an accident by a covered OW diver in Chandelier Cave.
Prove it... if you're going to state it.
Yes, I do believe my advice is far superior to yours for the inexperienced diver posing the question.
That's evident. Sadly, you're focusing too much on right-and-wrong... and not devoting sufficient attention to educating. I really don't want to argue with you. You are entitled to your opinion and the advice you give. Whilst that advice is based on personal experience, it is simply worth remembering that there are other factors to consider. Novice divers have a right to hear those factors, just as I have a right to express them.
I'm more than happy to have my posts judged on their merits, by an intelligent reader. If you feel the need to disassemble my posts, then I suggest there's some underlying motive that has more to do with justifying your actions, rather than providing a honest insight.
Perhaps, when you get sufficiently qualified, then you might understand better. For now, I'm just glad of the ready illustrations you've made to highlight the problem with justifying and negotiating safety considerations. I couldn't have asked for better examples.
If you don't get what I'm trying to explain... that's fine. I'm sure less biased readers will understand.
I think we've dominated this thread enough now. I expressed my thoughts. You expressed yours. Unless further questions are asked by those wanting to know more, then I don't feel that protracting this discussion has any benefits. Cheers.