PADI tables finally going away?

[Elonna]

yet only ONE person feels that they were taught in his OW class. They might not argue against it outright, but it doesn't appear to be happening with any appreciable frequency. Talk about semantics.

But see, no one is saying you are wrong when you say PDCs should be taught in class and that seems to be what you think people are doing. So let's start an initiative with the agencies to include PDC training in the OW classes. That would be a productive thing. However, I will be the first to say if I had been required to buy a computer for my OW class on top of the other gear and the cost of the class, I wouldn't have been able to take the class, so I'm not sure how that promotes Scuba to more people if it becomes cost prohibitive. If the school can provide a computer for the student's use, then great.

But you still can't exclude teaching tables...this is the only thing people are disagreeing with you on. They are not disagreeing that PDCs should be taught. So promote the concept in a positive way so things will begin to change.

 

[Steve50]

Unless everyone in the class had the same computer, I would find it problematic to show them how to use their computers in class. Very confusing for them and me...

Seems that using the computer can be learned by reading the manual...if you already have been trained in the basic theory and terminology.

 

[300bar]

-What does a diver, trained by YOU to only use a dive computer do when he finds himself without one on a dive boat?

Heck, I'll leave that open to anyone at all.

What does anyone do in this sport,when they are not able to maintain or get their gear together.

You could just aswell asked what that diver would do when forgetting their reg. , BC or what ever.

 

[300bar]

Unless everyone in the class had the same computer, I would find it problematic to show them how to use their computers in class. Very confusing for them and me...

Seems that using the computer can be learned by reading the manual...if you already have been trained in the basic theory and terminology.

I've yet to see an OW student come in with a brand new PDC.
So IF they will have one at the time tables/pdc's are up in class,they most likely would have bought the one the instructor was advising.(good or bad is an other debate)

btw I'm not defending the "boss" here but I do believe MOST OW students just don't care about tables and rather use a PDC,so why not teach them how to use it.

btw 2 I DO teach tables,even if they don't like it.

 

[The Chairman]

-What does a diver, trained by YOU to only use a dive computer do when he finds himself without one on a dive boat?

Precisely what you would do were your watch/depth gauge/SPG fail. Wing it somehow.



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[GrimSleeper]

Poisoning the well is a dramatic debate technique but ultimately flawed when closely inspected.

Apologies if you think I was indulging in empty rhetoric. You've made several references to technophobia in the course of this thread and the word stuck in my mind. I'm too lazy to read back through it all. My bad.

NetDoc, I don't think anyone's arguing that we shouldn't teach computers. Let's face it, any time there's an opportunity to ADD to the very, very basic theory students are required to master by most of the agencies, we should take it. I just honestly think that tables, then computer, will give students a better understanding of exactly what the little dial on their wrist is telling them, as well as a range of approaches to dive planning. What could be so very wrong with that?

I'm staggered at the idea that anyone decides not to learn to dive because they're scared of tables. Scared of taking their mask off, ok. Scared of the CESA, ok. Scared of giant man-eating killer squids, ok. Scared of being underwater, well, ok, but why do you want to do it, then? Scared of spending a little time learning to use a dive table??? Never seen it. Of course, students tend to be wary of the thing their instructor (or potential instructor) makes the biggest deal of...

 

[LiteHedded]

Precisely what you would do were your watch/depth gauge/SPG fail. Wing it somehow.



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really?

 

[HowardE]

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[PfcAJ]

Precisely what you would do were your watch/depth gauge/SPG fail. Wing it somehow.



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Argument: Shattered.

 

[The Chairman]

However, I will be the first to say if I had been required to buy a computer for my OW class on top of the other gear and the cost of the class, I wouldn't have been able to take the class.

All of my student gear comes with an Oceanic Veo250. You would not have had to buy a PDC, just as you didn't have to buy a BC or regulator.

The goal is to remove obstacles: not to create them.

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