Why the Prejudice about DIR or GUE

[jeraldjcook]

You obviously haven't been paying attention to the people that actually have experience with this type of configuration...

Personally, if I were out of air, I'd rather not be breathing off a regulator that may or may not have been tested and may or may not have been dragging on the bottom and is now filled with coral or mud. That might make me panic. But that's just me.

Neither would I. Even in PADI they teach you to keep everything with the triangle. I know that happens, I've seen it numerous times, but that just a bad diver. Does everyone not test both regs before jumping in? I know I do and so does my buddy.

By the way, I'm not anti-DIR and you guys are making me look that way.

 

[TheRedHead]

Example: During the deep dive while getting my advanced we had a diver [who was questionable to begin with] who at 75ft signaled OOA and bolted for the surface.

Don't dive with unsafe divers and you won't have that problem. That is what Rule No. 1 means to me.

 

[djanni]

Thanks for the Sarcasm Don. Glad to see you showing up. Now I think we've got all the Usual Suspects here.

Anyway, I addressed this in post #95:

http://www.scubaboard.com/showpost.php?p=2215287&postcount=95

To reiterate the concrete example: we have a massively popular recreational dive site where the biggest attract is the Octos that live directly under where the ferry props go over. If someone OOAs me down there the safest route is *not* going straight up. Similarly, on a recreational wreck dive, the best choice will often be to swim a minute or two back to the upline rather than to ascend directly with no reference.

My gosh Lamont... I didn't mean any sarcasm toward you and I sure wasn't trying to offend you. My apology. I didn't read your post #95 before putting up my question.

I've read it now and your comment above and quite frankly neither answer the question. Not really. Just like cave or wreck diving there are situations where specialized equipment is needed. I realize that. But correct me if I'm wrong, DIR/GUE maintains you should use the long hose regardless?

I've never run OOA or been confronted buy a frantic diver who is OOA. I have witnessed an OOA dirver who approached another for air and watched as they managed their regulators and swam off toward the boat. that situation wasn't frantic.
I guess if I had ever been in a frantic situations I would be inclined to gear up for the emergency but for me and the situation in which I dive, I'd be looking at a Pony bottle - not a longer air hose.

Anyway, I'm sorry I offend yet I think my question is legimate.

 

[Soggy]

Your example just plain makes no sense and shows that you have never actually used a long hose.

Your example has nothing to do with the long hose...the lesson is don't get in the water with questionable people, especially on a 75 ft deep dive. That is the textbook definition of Rule #1.

Example: During the deep dive while getting my advanced we had a diver [who was questionable to begin with] who at 75ft signaled OOA and bolted for the surface. The DM was right there and gave him his octo and the guy kept on going for the surface. The DM dumped his air and the air in the other guy's BC and kept him down until he calmed. With a short hose, if the OOA diver bolts the DM was still in a position to dump air. And if he is not in a position to dump air it mean the OOA diver dropped the octo. If the DM was unable to hang on and had a long hose, there is no way for him to dump the air, only pull him down by the fins.

And yes, a good tug might free you octo from his mouth, but not if he had a death grip on the hose.

If it could possible happen, it will eventually will happen.

 

[lamont]

Example: During the deep dive while getting my advanced we had a diver [who was questionable to begin with] who at 75ft signaled OOA and bolted for the surface. The DM was right there and gave him his octo and the guy kept on going for the surface. The DM dumped his air and the air in the other guy's BC and kept him down until he calmed. With a short hose, if the OOA diver bolts the DM was still in a position to dump air. And if he is not in a position to dump air it mean the OOA diver dropped the octo. If the DM was unable to hang on and had a long hose, there is no way for him to dump the air, only pull him down by the fins.

And yes, a good tug might free you octo from his mouth, but not if he had a death grip on the hose.

If it could possible happen, it will eventually will happen.

You don't need a short hose to be able to deal with this though. In the first place, when you donate, grab the other diver. In the second place, kick up and grab them, pull them down and you up, and you will regain position to be able to dump their gas.

 

[Doubles]

I think the initial argument had to do with the term "Doing it Right" ... which implies that everyone else is "Doing it Wrong".

It's a marketing slogan.

Do people get upset with the phrase "How the world learns to dive" (PADI) ... which implies that nobody else in the world teaches diving?

Or "Diver safety through education" (NAUI) ... which implies that everyone else's education is unsafe?

I think not.

I suspect there's a whole bunch of University of Alabama alumni participating here ... not all of whom are on the DIR bandwagon ... :shakehead

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

Bob do you think George Carlin could use some of this as material for his next HBO show?

 

[jeraldjcook]

Your example just plain makes no sense and shows that you have never actually used a long hose.

Your example has nothing to do with the long hose...the lesson is don't get in the water with questionable people, especially on a 75 ft deep dive. That is the textbook definition of Rule #1.

It was a class [instructor, DM, 4 students], he was not my buddy and not my responsiblity, so I don't see a problem with it.

NWGreatfulDiver,
I already enrolled for rescue for the beginning of Oct and looking forward to it. Also, I thought by their very nature dump valve are designed to dump air faster than they can be filled. In August's Scuba Diving magazine all 14 BC were able to dump faster than they could be filled by using either shoulder valve one at a time.

 

[SparticleBrane]

Now that we have all the Usual Suspects, where's Spanky and the Gang?!
Sounds like someone's about to start agitatin' the dots...

 

[jeraldjcook]

This just in: The beaten and bloody horse next to me has just informed me that a 7’ hose is superior in every situation. I withdraw any argument I have ever made contrary to this fact as being invalid. Hopefully this will drop the issue.

 

[H2Andy]

well... yeah....

duh