Why the Prejudice about DIR or GUE

[Soggy]

Neither would I. Even in PADI they teach you to keep everything with the triangle. I know that happens, I've seen it numerous times, but that just a bad diver. Does everyone not test both regs before jumping in? I know I do and so does my buddy.

Let's take these realistic scenarios and compare them:

Scenario 1: Diver with octo in the triangle
You tested your octo on the surface. Ok, it supplies air. Now, 30 minutes into the dive your buddy comes up to you out of gas and does what he's supposed to do and takes the octo, which actually managed to stay in the octo keeper and has not been dragging along as most that I see normally are. I'll ignore for now that the octopus is not placed in a convenient location for a diver maintaining a horizontal position. Diver gets the reg and breathes off of it and gets nothing but water because the diaphragm is ripped. It worked fine on the surface when you tested it, but underwater it doesn't. Now your bad situation just got a *lot* worse

Scenario 2: Diver with octo in the triangle
Same scenario is before (tested on surface), only this time it fell out of the octo keeper and is dragging along below you, collecting debris. OOG diver comes up to you, manages to find the octopus 3 feet below you, takes a breath and gets a chunk of crap (mud, coral, plant) shot down his throat when he purges it. OOG diver chokes and panics.

Scenario 3: Diver with octo in the triangle
OOG diver panics when he runs out of gas and rips the regulator out of your mouth. You fumble around looking for your octo, find it, and it the diaphragm is ripped. Worked fine on the surface. Now you have two paniced divers...

Scenario 4: Diver with bungeed backup
Both regs are tested on the surface. As soon as you get below the water, an S-drill is performed where you fully deploy the long hose and switch to the back up. Both regs work both above water and below (or they don't and you abort). OOG diver comes up to you and mugs you for your long hose. You donate and switch to your backup around your neck (I almost always can find my own neck, even with my eyes closed ). The donated reg works because, heck, you were *just* breathing it. Your backup reg works because you tested it both on the surface and underwater and it's been up against your neck so it is *really* unlikely that it got any debris. If the OOG diver is panicking, you get ahold of them (preferably from behind them). If they are ok, you are free to swim to your exit point (direct ascents are rarely a good idea in most places), ascend, and laugh about the experience over a beer when you get back to shore.

 

[Meng_Tze]

So we're done now?

Phew, that was a ride.

 

[djanni]

Only a few of Spanky's Gang are participating but Spanky... he hasn't been around as far as I can tell.

This is all way too emotional for me. Only "TheRedHead" maintains her cool and, as much as I hate to admit it, she makes sense most of the time. (One $ please)

So to contain my own emotion I'll go read about photography.

 

[H2Andy]

i'll give you TWO $$ if you say i make sense some of the time

 

[TheRedHead]

Another scenario (which I've witnessed in drill): OOA diver slashes, you reach for the octo in the golden triangle neatly stored in a "holder," and deploy octo leaving mouthpiece firmly stuck in the holder.

 

[jeraldjcook]

Let's take these realistic scenarios and compare them:

Scenario 1: Diver with octo in the triangle
You tested your octo on the surface. Ok, it supplies air. Now, 30 minutes into the dive your buddy comes up to you out of gas and does what he's supposed to do and takes the octo, which actually managed to stay in the octo keeper and has not been dragging along as most that I see normally are. I'll ignore for now that the octopus is not placed in a convenient location for a diver maintaining a horizontal position. Diver gets the reg and breathes off of it and gets nothing but water because the diaphragm is ripped. It worked fine on the surface when you tested it, but underwater it doesn't. Now your bad situation just got a *lot* worse

Scenario 2: Diver with octo in the triangle
Same scenario is before (tested on surface), only this time it fell out of the octo keeper and is dragging along below you, collecting debris. OOG diver comes up to you, manages to find the octopus 3 feet below you, takes a breath and gets a chunk of crap (mud, coral, plant) shot down his throat when he purges it. OOG diver chokes and panics.

Scenario 3: Diver with octo in the triangle
OOG diver panics when he runs out of gas and rips the regulator out of your mouth. You fumble around looking for your octo, find it, and it the diaphragm is ripped. Worked fine on the surface. Now you have two paniced divers...

Scenario 4: Diver with bungeed backup
Both regs are tested on the surface. As soon as you get below the water, an S-drill is performed where you fully deploy the long hose and switch to the back up. Both regs work both above water and below (or they don't and you abort). OOG diver comes up to you and mugs you for your long hose. You donate and switch to your backup around your neck (I almost always can find my neck, even with my eyes closed ). The donated reg works because, heck, you were *just* breathing it. Your backup reg works because you tested it both on the surface and underwater and it's been up against your neck so it is *really* unlikely that it got any debris. If the OOG diver is panicking, you get ahold of them (preferably from behind them). If they are ok, you are free to swim to your exit point (direct ascents are rarely a good idea in most places), ascend, and laugh about the experience over a beer when you get back to shore.

Scenario 5: PADI diver is vertical and silting out the visibility. Diver is OOA and reaches reaches for huge and bright yellow R190 right where is should be located. Breathes from octo just fine. Just then, a Navy destoryer drops a depth charge and kills both divers.

I think your right, the PADI setup can never work. I wonder why we don't hear more about the 1000's of deaths each year? Probably media bias and PADI's influence.

 

[H2Andy]

Another scenario (which I've witnessed in drill): OOA diver slashes, you reach for the octo in the golden triangle nearly stored in a "holder," and deploy octo leaving mouthpiece firmly stuck in the holder.

(Red, you are somewhat stiffling my self-promotional activities)

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

Jeez, you just ruined all the single women divers' fantasies....

I assume his legs bend at the knees so he can at least frog kick.

His knees are permanently bent from walking down the beach in double 130's with a Gavin in one hand and a stage bottle in the other ...

Remember the movie "Twins"? Well, take a little bit of DeVito and a little bit of Ahnold and you've about got it ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[SparticleBrane]

Just then, a Navy destory drops a depth charge and kills both divers.

That's the funniest thing I've read all day. :lol: :lol:

 

[dsteding]

Post 200! Got it!