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scubaexpress:
It wouldn't be an Oxygen toxicity hit or Nitrogen Narcosis. Both of those remedy themselves when you come up from depth (unless there is no respiration), and I have never heard of anyone losing consciousness from NN. As she was on the 'hangline' I imagine that was a 15' safety stop station and neither of the above 2 problems would manafest themselves at that depth.

NN will remedy it self, but if memory serves well, CNS Tox seisure is fatal in most diving situations. I think US Navy published a paper on the subject and concluded that there is no viable procedure to help a diver experiencing a CNS tox seisure. Problem is if a diver stays at depth he is going to drown and if he is moved to the surface he will get an abolisim. There is no way to force air out of a seazed diver.
 
all five of the maryland divers were diving from the same fill. no one else was affected.
 
Well i was on the the boat with scubaeee. Well from what saw, I would say AGE.. Look up pulmonary barotrauma.. It describes the accident as sudden . And man it was sudden,, I believe she had pasted right at the surface. Her dive partner escorted her to the surface and looking in her mask said she fine till the hit the surface,... A little more info is that her dive buddy computer defaulted to 50% eanx after he neglected to change for the second dive and he continued the dive.As i made my 8 minute stopto expel air she joined the line and the was some confusion with the group as the all started check one another computers, they had entered into a deco dive.. ... .. we started 02 immediately and she took shallow breathes but never responded.hope this is not to much detail ..I pray for her family and her .
es
 
I hope the bottles get analyzed.

I sounds like she did two deep dives. If either bottle was not really filled with EAN32 she could have had a bad case of the bends though the symptoms sound more like AGE.

I wonder how often people dive on air thinking it is nitrox. Mistakes happen.

Pete
 
WOW...This has been a tough week or two on divers. I wish there was something to say or do to help ease the pain. My family and I will pray for comfort for those dealing with this.
 
docwascuba:
Well i was on the the boat with scubaeee. Well from what saw, I would say AGE.. Look up pulmonary barotrauma.. It describes the accident as sudden . And man it was sudden,, I believe she had pasted right at the surface. Her dive partner escorted her to the surface and looking in her mask said she fine till the hit the surface,... A little more info is that her dive buddy computer defaulted to 50% eanx after he neglected to change for the second dive and he continued the dive.As i made my 8 minute stopto expel air she joined the line and the was some confusion with the group as the all started check one another computers, they had entered into a deco dive.. ... .. we started 02 immediately and she took shallow breathes but never responded.hope this is not to much detail ..I pray for her family and her .
es
I'm far from an expert on any aspect here, but Pulmonary and Arterial Gas Embolisms are different, yet can resemble each other in the initial symptoms I think. I think that PGE would be obvious on a autopsy, whereas an AGE would be less so, isn't that right? No medical problems found on the exam, OxTox, NNarcosis ruled out for the hang line depth. Sounds like it's down to DCI or AGE, doesn't it?

One of the predive checks I do with buddies on Nitrox dives is to ask if his/her PDC has the Default turned off. That feature is there for legal reasons, and causes problems. Nonetheless, a dive with a misset PDC really should abort, unless a back up PDC or plan is utilized. That diver is not here to address this, tho.

Speculating further - in hopes of learning from the tragedy, it's stated that "...they had entered into a deco dive..." and I take it that her PDC was also in Deco? Too many things going wrong on the same dive could possibly lead even an experienced diver to a panicked rapid ascent...?? Gawd have I been there, and I was just short of panic on my Oh-No dive off of NC once; my last maneuver was indeed a questionable one that could have gone badly.

The lessons I think I'll take from this sad loss, in the young divers honor: Address and resolve the problems in the water if possible, but when things continue to go wrong, abort cautiously but early.

My condolences as well to her family and friends on this board and off. We do not use the victims' names here so that these discussion will not show up on Google searches, but we also want to treat these discussion with respect for the sad loss - and I join the others here in that sentiment.
 
Deepest condolences to the family and all her friends.
 
This incident happened in Oct 2005.
 
A PGE would be simply an arterial gas embolism in the pulmonary artery. I would think, if this dive had turned into a deco dive, the diver did not spend enough time to off gas, so you will have the nitrogen releasing from the tissues faster than they should which leaves the cause of this accident wide open for an AGE...also considering the fact that the diver immediately lost consciousness at the surface. That pretty much rules out a nitrogen hit...Even though this happened in 2005, my deepest condolences to her family...Rest in peace Beth...
 
If they did a 40 minute dive at 107 on EAN 32, they would have had about 14 minutes deco with a liberal computer (profile run on v-planner vpm/b) up to 25 minutes with a more conservative computer (16 compartment bulhman). It seems very likely if they really were down that long that dcs may have played a role in this accident.

Jackie
 

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