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With all due respect, why should a rec scuba diver even care if recreational scuba becomes more popular, or if the scuba "industry" grows? So long as a rec scuba diver can get his/her tanks filled and equipment serviced and find additional training and make additional equipment purchases whenever desired or required, isn't this enough (to him/her)?

You do realize that you've answered your own question, right?

---------- Post added June 15th, 2015 at 06:17 PM ----------

I really don't buy the "the costs of entry are too high" argument. I participate in another sport where the entry and ongoing costs are monstrously higher, and which is thriving. My horse trainer rides mountain bikes, which cost thousands of dollars to buy, and her sport isn't hurting, either.

It's two sides of the same coin. The costs of entry are always "too high" for any activity/product where the perceived value is lower than the actual cost... irrespective of what the actual/absolute cost is.

There are two possible courses to choose from:

1.) Reduce the actual cost
2.) Increase the perceived value
 
Unfortunately the change you speek of is too slow. Ends up with more closings before good comes of it which makes attempts to better too time late to work.


If Scuba can become more popular the Rec diver can appreciate the lower prices in products as well services or travel destinations. The competitive nature and the volume of increase in goods and services in an industry results in more practical cost effective opportunities for the consumer. Not to mention innovation and larger selection.

Frank G
zGear.com
 
As far as the rising popularity of free diving, I perceive it as part of a greater trend in which people are shunning elaborate gear in favor of simplicity. Technical rock climbing is giving way to free climbing. The kayak paddle is a marvel of efficiency, but the cool kids are taking to stand-up paddleboarding, where the paddle is used in a more primitive way. The freewheel was a great improvement in bicycle technology a century ago, allowing one to save energy by coasting, but the cool kids now shun the traditional bike that lets you coast in favor of fixed-gear bikes that cannot coast. There might even be two trends overlapping. I think there is also increasing interest in leisure activities perceived as taking skill and athletic ability that not everyone is capable of--those who are capable seem to find satisfaction in being part of an exclusive community. The more inclusive the industry has tried to make scuba--making diving so easy that anyone can do it--the more there are people who seek something that's more exclusive. I think it's true of activities other than scuba diving. The more accessible some leisure activities have been made to the general public, the more I see some people seeking out more exclusive alternatives.
 
The more accessible some leisure activities have been made to the general public, the more I see some people seeking out more exclusive alternatives.

Sounds like Yogi Berra... "No one scuba dives anymore, it's too popular."
 
Sounds like Yogi Berra... "No one scuba dives anymore, it's too popular."

I think his quote was about a restaurant being too crowded, but yes--same principle. Things that get too popular with the masses somehow become uncool. Want to attract young, energetic people to scuba?--then make it seem HARDER, not easier. Oh, wait, that's exactly what's going on with "technical diving."
 
It's two sides of the same coin. The costs of entry are always "too high" for any activity/product where the perceived value is lower than the actual cost... irrespective of what the actual/absolute cost is.

There are two possible courses to choose from:

1.) Reduce the actual cost
2.) Increase the perceived value
Today driving up the freeway I saw kid towing a $125,000.00 wake board boat behind a brand new lifted p/u probably another $75k.
on the weekends I see hordes of team bicycle riders all over the county and knowing what top end road bike stuff costs including the jerseys etc. the cheapest set up was probably 3-4k and some way more than that.
During salmon season I see anglers going out of Bodega Bay in some really nice boats probably worth 25k to over 100k then figure in the associated costs of a day of sport fishing.
A brand new Dick's Sporting Goods was just built in my town accompanying all the other sporting goods stores already here. None that I can see seem to be hurting, and I'll bet Dick's probably did their homework before breaking ground on a brand new sports super store here in a city with population of 160K.
The point is, in my area (the greater Bay Area) there is a ton of new money and they like their toys. They like sports and recreation. I could go on about the price of housing in SF and all around the Bay Area and the tech boom, etc. but I think you get the point.
So with all this new disposable income where are the scuba divers?
Why has this particular sport been bypassed and forgotten about?
Is it too specialized?
I have to agree with you about perceived value, and Lynne about not being about the money, there's plenty of money. It's something else.
Why don't regular sporting goods stores sell and promote scuba diving? They used to years ago. I know the answer is because there is no market and they'll lose money, but WHY isn't there a market? I'm sure they've done their homework on different sports and if scuba was a money maker they would be selling scuba gear, but it's not.
People spend money on all sorts of classes and gear for a lot of different things, scuba shouldn't be any different.
As much as we at SB all love diving it seems like a no brainier. I can't understand for the life of me why everyone on earth shouldn't absolutely love it. What makes us different from them?
Is there something wrong with us?
 
I really don't buy the "the costs of entry are too high" argument. I participate in another sport where the entry and ongoing costs are monstrously higher, and which is thriving. My horse trainer rides mountain bikes, which cost thousands of dollars to buy, and her sport isn't hurting, either.

I can see why someone who lives in a landlocked state might decide not to take up a sport that you have to get on an airplane to do. But where shore diving is abundant and quite good, if people aren't taking up the sport, we aren't doing a good job of communicating why they should.

A lot of ideas have come up in this thread, including TS&M's post, which I copied an excerpt from. A few comments:

1.) Dressage (your other expensive hobby IIRC) is something of a spectator sport, yes (also involving competition, prizes/awards & a social aspect)? Scuba is generally not.

2.) Mountain Biking, like many physical sports, is associated with exercise, weight loss & fitness (e.g.: 'cardio.'). Scuba is generally not. We move slow, try not to over-exert or breathe too fast, and if it's hard, you're probably doing it wrong.

3.) I've seen in other threads the idea of trying to make scuba appeal to these 'young alpha male hunter types trying to impress females (& presumably get sex) by catching prey. I wonder how much of that is because they're a large potential lucrative market, and how much of that is because some current divers with the scuba diving public were more like that. How many threads do we see critical of obesity, diving with medical conditions, how a number of fatality reports start out 'this guy in his 50's/60's…', etc…? Look at the thinly veiled (or not veiled) contempt expressed toward cruise ship 'pod people.' Is making scuba an exclusive adventure sport best for the business, or best for the ego? Spear fishing is said to be a sustainable harvesting method. Okay. If several hundred more spear fishermen descending on the same sites, would that still be true?

4.) Some hobbies, like video game console systems, can expand without evident harm to the hobby community. As people get into gaming, they buy a system, put in on their own t.v., etc… But in diving, we've got a limited amount of prime real estate (e.g.: pretty reefs) to dive. Already I read about 'cattle boats,' some reefs looking worn from diver pressure (allegedly), some sites being 'crowded' with divers (e.g.: popular, a number of boats go there), etc… If the actively diving public tripled within the year, how would this impact the diving environment we love?

5.) Some hobbies, like biking, people recognize and have some idea what's involved by simple observations. Not so with scuba diving. Awareness is much less & the need to deliberately investigate it higher.

6.) Some hobbies, like biking, are popular enough in some areas it's likely you've got a neighbor, coworker, etc…, who does this, too. In other words, the activity becomes an extension of socialization. To some extent local dive clubs serve this need, but I wonder how many recreation (e.g.: not instructors, DM's or shop staff) strongly mix scuba & socialization? Put another way, when you get on a dive boat, how often is it you're on a boat full of strangers unless you brought a buddy? How many people know a few to several divers at work?

7.) What new developments are we eagerly awaiting a larger customer base to fund development of? The only one I know off-hand (aside from smaller, lighter tanks with a lot more gas crammed into them) is the fabled 'idiot simple' rebreather that would be cheaper, require practically no operating knowledge & be as simple to operate as regular open circuit scuba (e.g.: disposable cartridges with replacement scrubber, sensors, the device tells you when to replace stuff, etc…) - and from what I read we are a long way from having that. Purpose: long dives without bubbles. Sure, dive computers with great interfaces, high capacity logs, wireless communication to download to a PC and extreme battery life would be nice, and a number of other things, but what are we waiting for to 'transform' scuba?

Richard.
 
Why don't regular sporting goods stores sell and promote scuba diving? They used to years ago. I know the answer is because there is no market and they'll lose money, but WHY isn't there a market? I'm sure they've done their homework on different sports and if scuba was a money maker they would be selling scuba gear, but it's not.

Online competition competes on higher profit margin items.

Also, with many hobbies, you can try it without taking a course or reading a manual. I imagine most people know how to ride a bicycle at a basic level, & did when they were kids. Most people ran when they were kids (like after the ice cream truck). Probably most of us 'hiked' (took a long walk, partly uphill) at some point. And if we wish, can try this using a friend's gear, or with some hobbies without gear. Want to fish? Buy a license and spend a day on a boat with your buddy. Want to try shooting (skeet or deer, duck, etc…)? Play basket ball?

With scuba, it's considered irresponsible to use your gear to take an uncertified person diving, even if you're just leading him around shallow, breathing pressurized air. If I did that and a friend got a pneumothorax I'd be hotly criticized as a reckless fool.

Even Discover Scuba Diving courses require you to check into it, sign up, show up & pay a professional to conduct the class.

My point is, I think the scuba has some fundamental differences in how people become aware of, intrigued by & get into it. Most of us didn't grow up playing with scuba gear in the neighborhood, don't work with a few active divers, know a lot of divers, etc...

Richard.
 
Why should a recreational diver care about whether the industry grows? Here's why...

You do realize that you've answered your own question, right?

Not growing (in the business sense) is not equivalent to contracting and dying. If shops are closing/failing in a particular area, there is probably a reason. Someone will do a—another?—feasibility study to ascertain the viability of a—another—scuba shop in the area. If a shop cannot be sustained in a particular area, so be it. This won't keep divers who are determined to dive, from diving.

How do people who live far from services, dive? How do people who dive remote sites that are far from services? They find a way. Maybe they found a dues-required club and fund a continuous-duty compressor and a few cascade bottles that are shared by the members? Maybe the members in this club all agree to dive similar equipment so that an inventory of spare parts and service expertise can be shared by the members? Maybe they agree to take turns driving to some distant place to get all the members' tanks filled before returning? Or maybe they simply suck their thumbs and bemoan their pitiful state and decide they cannot dive after all.

When I lived in southeast Michigan, we would sometimes drive due north from Ann Arbor to dive out of Grindstone City. After a full day of Lake Huron boat diving, we would load up the car and drive the 90-or-so minutes (in traffic) along the "coast" two-lane highway to Port Sanilac to get everyone's tanks filled (since Grindstone City had no services but Port Sanilac did) in anticipation of the next day's dives. We had to arrive before the shop closed. Then after supper we would return to Port Austin to spend the night, to wake up early the next morning to dive again. The diving was so worth it! And this was a typical routine for anyone diving up there.

My Missouri group used to dive a remote spot in Arkansas on Bull Shoals Lake. We camped on a secluded bluff, and schlepped tanks up and down the bluff to dive the lake below. At the end of the day someone would volunteer to drive our load of empty tanks back down the 30-45 minute dirt jeep trail to the two-lane blacktop and the additional 30-45 minutes to the marina to get our tanks filled. Again, the diving was so worth it!

Divers will find a way to dive.

Safe Diving,

rx7diver
 

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