What do you see as the most important "first piece of kit to buy"?

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Why do you want to buy things?
well THAT is the question!

Perhaps you haven't seen the shoddy rental gear that is sometimes offered. You use it -- with trepidation -- or don't dive.
Why would you want to put yourself in that situation?
and THAT IS the answer...well at least part of it.
MAYBE even more than that, it's the issues of improper fit and never getting used to your gear. Things that can take some of the comfort and fun out of it, and safety too.

Dialing in your gear is a HUGE part of safe diving in my view
so that you know where things are and can deal with issues by feel
having things like cutting tools and other safety stuff properly attached and placed
Having proper clips on things like your octo
having good trim
streamlined rig
know what you have and where it's stored

Most all of these issues are not much of an issue when diving super shallow and easy dives in good weather, great vis, and no current
and in my very limited experience with rental gear it's usually not in all that bad of shape..good enough at least for dives that can reasonably be aborted with a swim to the surface

but as they gain experience, the dives will be getting "better and better"

circling back to @chrisch 's question though
yeah, that is the bigger question.... money outlay vs how often will we really dive vs what are their goals and aspirations for diving, consider if any of our dives are likely to be when travelling without bringing our gear from home (such as cruise ship or an impromptu dive while on a non-diving trip somewhere)
 
I think (and the answers so far bear this out) that the answer depends person to person. Some people will value a well fitting and comfortable BC where they know the placement of everything and how to trim over a regulator. Others would be fine diving with the tank roped to their back as long as they had their trusty reg.

I got my reg first, less of a choice than what deal I could get, but I probaly would choose that. Pros: Easier to travel with, once I got my computer I could always use my own computer too (Just browse how many posts people are asking about connecting computers to rental regs), I am comfortable adapting to any BC.

My wife wanted a BC first. We aren't doing tech diving, just basic rec to ~100 ft, usually shallower. Warm water. So what she needed from a regulator is pretty basic. I try to vet shops before I dive with them/rent from them so I haven't been surprised with crappy rental gear so far. She felt like she always was fidgeting and adjusting the rental BCs, trying to figure out trim/buoyancy in them, where to stash the octo, have them pinching or riding up, etc. Getting her own BC meant getting comfortable with her overall loadout, leading to more comfort in the water.

Sorry for the long answer, but I think the TLDR is figure out what's important to each family member, maybe it's a different piece of gear for each person. Happy diving!
 
1. Mask, fins snorkel

2. Dive computer

3. Thermal protection appropriate for intended region for diving (Including boots and gloves).

4. Regulator (with related parts)

5. BC

6. Other accessories (including cutting devices)
 
..My wife wanted a BC first. We aren't doing tech diving, just basic rec to ~100 ft, usually shallower. Warm water. So what she needed from a regulator is pretty basic. I try to vet shops before I dive with them/rent from them so I haven't been surprised with crappy rental gear so far. She felt like she always was fidgeting and adjusting the rental BCs, trying to figure out trim/buoyancy in them, where to stash the octo, have them pinching or riding up, etc. Getting her own BC meant getting comfortable with her overall loadout, leading to more comfort in the water..

The BC is a more important item for women IMHO because the majority of stab jackets were designed by/for men and women have sticky out bits in the chest area. If female divers used a BPW set up then it would be (again IMHO - as a man) less of an issue. The AAS can be clipped anywhere you like and a clip to do so is a cheap enough item even if you need buy one at the rental point.

I also think a lot of people are conned by the idea that all rental places are bad and out to rip you off and all dive shops are wonderful and service regulators to a high standard. (Even though most shops do rental and most rental outlets sell gear.....)

I have no idea why anyone needs to connect the dive computer to the regulator - is it really so hard to look at a SPG? I think there are a lot of people for whom the diving equipment is more entertaining than the dive. For that group of people planning what to buy, talking about what to buy and reading reviews of what other people have bought is also probably more entertaining that reading about dives or diving.
 
The order depends on the kind of diving you do and the price, quality, and convenience of rental gear available. For example, some people will list computers first or second but I didn't get a dive computer for my first few years of diving because I almost exclusively did shallow shore dives where it just wasn't necessary. If you dive cold water, prioritize good exposure suits. If you dive warm tropical places with sketchy dive shops maybe you don't need a good suit but you should get your own regs. etc. etc.
 
I have no idea why anyone needs to connect the dive computer to the regulator - is it really so hard to look at a SPG?

Don't talk about something you don't use or understand.
 
First obviously mask/fins/snorkel and an exposure suit of some sort (depending on where you dive). But after those, in order:

1. Computer.

2. BCD of some sort. Whether it's a jacket style, rear inflate, or a BP/W, a well-fitting BCD that suits your needs is critical. Ideally you want only things you need on it (integrated weight pouches, some D rings) and nothing you don't (massive pockets), so I'd generally steer people towards BP/W setups, even newer divers. They make backplates/harnesses of all types, not just metal. There are soft or composite backplates like the Dive Rite Transpac which are great for single tank recreational applications, and are more comfortable and less intimidating to new divers than a steel or aluminum plate.

3. Regulator. Configured with the hose arrangement you want, and built to work with your BCD.
 
Part of the answer depends on where you will be diving and where you live. Your profile says Florida, so I'm going to assume warm water diving locally and maybe some travel. Even if all travel my answer remains. In which case I'd prioritize exposure protection. I refuse to use rental suits that I don't know who or how many people have peed in before me. Since 3mm's and shorties are cheap and maintenance is almost zero, I say get those first. Get cheap ones for the kids until they stop growing, but always use suits that fit properly (don't buy suits that they'll grow into - suits that are too big don't work). Once growing has stopped, get nicer ones like lavacores or custom fit suits and whatnot. Exposure protection will also help with accidental brush ups against fire corals and medusas. If cold water, drysuits are probably the best option, but since they are pricey and people generally don't pee inside them, renting is probably a great option for a while, unless you need special sizing.

Next on my list is the computers. You want to know how to use and read your dive computer effectively and the only way to learn how to do that is by using it. If you're constantly getting different computers, you'll constantly be battling the learning curve.

Next is a tossup between regs and BCD's. But for traveling I'd give the nod to reg's. As you have noticed rental regs can be hit or miss. For local diving you might have a shop nearby with a quality rental department that you could frequent so you might prioritize purchasing BCD's. The only problem with reg ownership is they are high maintenance (as far a dive gear goes), and service costs add up real quick when you have 4-5+ sets and want to follow manufacturer guidelines to keep the warranties (hint: try to stagger purchases between years so every year you only have to service 2 and inspect 2 and the costs become more manageable). Regs can be more travel friendly than BCD's. Obviously within this option is the BCD's. BCD's are pretty low maintenance as long as you wash them properly and pay attention to that power inflator. For growing kids I think BPW's are a great option as you can just go extending or replacing the webbing as they grow instead of having to replace the whole shebang after every growth spurt. Even if you start with a short plate and replace it when outgrown, you can still use the wing and probably resell the plate to offset the cost of a bigger one.

The only time I'd consider weights and tanks is if you do a fair bit of local diving. It is nice to have everything ready to go when the stars align and the whole family can go diving together. I'd prioritize weights over tanks so that you can dial in where to put what weights. And for warm water you're not using much anyway.
 
You are in FL which means 1) exposure protection = rash guard mostly 2) rentals are everywhere. I personally would get rash guard protection against the jellies, then computer, then regs. I would rent everything else.
 
I answered previously from my phone. I'll expand a bit now that I'm on a real computer.

Generally speaking, for all sporting activities, equipment which physically touches your body should be prioritized. Examples would be boots for snow skiing, shoes for rock climbing, and masks for diving. A poorly fitting mask will consume your attention on every dive; any "economy" is false. Buy once, cry once.

I put wetsuits. smurf suits, and other exposure protection in a side category. If you need them, you probably really need them so they are prioritized automatically for that individual. YMMV.

After the mask, I said an AI-optionable computer should be second. Lots of opinions here about that, wondering why folks can't just use the SPG, too distracting to newbies, etc. Here's my reasoning. First, it makes it easy to keep a dive log. It's very easy on busy days to not record various parameters, by the end of the day you're tired, by the next day you're busy with THAT day's dives... and pretty soon you lose track. Having a history of what you've done, and when, helps all divers better manage their "career" and progression.

That data capture leads to the next reason: The ability to see trends in one's diving behavior. This is why AI is important, if not immediately then later when you get your own reg set (#3 on my list). There are countless threads here discussing air consumption vs. this-and-that, recommendations about improving breath management, discussions about NDL's vs. depth and time curves, and related topics. Yeah, you can do a bunch of hand-wavey guesses based on glances at an SPG and analog depth gauge, but nothing beats the ability to look back in time and see how your SAC has been changing, how fast, and over what period of time. Be honest - you won't remember to write all that down after every dive, it will be forgotten, and so you won't have the data.

Renting a computer is useless. As others have noted, nearly all of the time you won't know that model so all you really have is a digital version of the analog gauges which, as noted above, have no data capturing value.

So: Computer is #2 after body-interface items like the mask. You get dive logs that keep themselves (even if you don't take the time to add notes later), you have a device you're actually familiar with (and so will actually use), and as you venture deeper and longer you gain an extra layer of safety and insurance.

If you don't have your own reg set, get a computer that supports AI as a later option. At least you're capturing, and learning from, what data is available - and you're ready to capture and learn from air consumption info once you add the AI transmitter.

When we go on "non-diving" trips we still bring our masks and computers, which easily fit into our backpacks or any size luggage. Compared to our full kits they add very little volume and weight, but if we get a surprise chance to dive (which has happened many times) we have the top two pieces of personal gear with us.

Having your own reg set and BCD follows closely behind having your own computer. Obviously the reg set is truly life support equipment whereas the computer is not, but as others have noted there is maintenance involved. Newbie divers may not dive enough to maintain their regs, raising the possibility that ratty rented gear may actually be in better operational condition than their own!

The above comments are for those trying to minimize how much personal gear they have to buy. Now I'll share a story about equipment confidence. A few years ago my wife, my son, his girlfriend, and I were off Barbados (which we LOVE). We did a nice wreck dive together, but the surface was choppy and when it was time to go back out after the surface interval the girls opted out. My wife said to our son "Here, use my gear instead of the rental stuff", which he did. At dinner that night my son suddenly said "That dive with Dad today was the best dive I've ever done". We've been to some pretty awesome places and while that dive was absolutely spectacular, I didn't expect that kind of reaction. We asked why, and his response really taught me a lesson: "That was the first time I've ever had complete confidence in my equipment. With rental gear I'm always making sure I'm near someone and their backup regulator. Today was the first time ever that I could relax, because I knew for certain Mom's gear would work because I know you guys maintain your equipment. I could enjoy the dive."

I had not realized how stressful and distracting unknown gear could be to someone. I made a promise to myself that the next time we go on a dive trip with our son, he'll have his own kit even if it's an early Christmas present. I want him to know that his equipment is in top condition, so that while still being an Alert Diver (tm) he can stop worrying and enjoy the experience.

Moral of the Story: If you're already spending all that money for dive travel to some destination, make the investment in a full kit for yourself. It's a one time expense that will make that, and every future, trip better.

My $0.02, YMMV, standard disclaimers, IANAL, etc.
 

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