This morning in Egypt ...

[Mike Walker]

and:

Are two very distinct statements. One is reasonable, the other is not. You "stomped your foot" a lot more for the second.

The intent of my statements - both of them - is pretty clear.
Pretty sure this is a 'dive' forum not a 'debate the semantics of the english language for no good reason' forum....
It is not acceptable to be saying 'it's ok a few people died in completely preventable circumstances because if we run the statistics over many years it looks like a small number'.

 

[tursiops]

and:

Are two very distinct statements. One is reasonable, the other is not. You "stomped your foot" a lot more for the second.

I'm glad neither of these rules applies to automobiles, traffic rules, and driving, otherwise the cars would be unaffordable, enforced speed limits would be 10 mph everywhere, and there would be a hospital at every intersection.

 

[Mike Walker]

I'm glad neither of these rules applies to automobiles, traffic rules, and driving, otherwise the cars would be unaffordable, enforced speed limits would be 10 mph everywhere, and there would be a hospital at every intersection.

Oh, get over yourselves...

It's quite clear my intent was targeting 0 within what is commercially reasonable. And, more specifically, targeting the upthread comments that simply dismissed a few deaths as completely acceptable because they looked ok from a statistics standpoint.

 

[bathbiggles2]

All boats have fires - even navy ships in peace time - even when they are docked. Fires on seagoing vessels are a far more common occurrence than people realise - small electrical fires, galley fires, oil fires in engine rooms.

An SCBA probably isn't the best option for escape from a fire - particularly if you have to go through an escape hatch - they require constant checks and training in their use. Far better is an escape hood - something like How to use the Dräger PARAT escape hood - hard pack - Product Video - only maintenance required is check that the hard case still has its tamper seal intact and replace the filter after eight years. Training is far simpler than using an SCBA too

Yes very true - whilst I was on Emperor Explorer two weeks ago - the fire alarm went during the day between dives. I was resting but people (slowly) came out of their cabins thinking it was a false alarm. The dive guide called (like it was a regular occurrence) "Its OK, its just the kitchen" I still don't know if there was an actual fire or not!

 

[L13]

The intent of my statements - both of them - is pretty clear.

Actually, it wasn't, which is why I pointed it out. It looked like you actually believed that non-zero was unacceptable.

 

[L13]

It's quite clear my intent was targeting 0 within what is commercially reasonable.

It wasn't. But now it is.

 

[DandyDon]

No but I am starting to think I should if I go on a liveaboard

It's a good idea for any travel, easy to include, and we can't depend on hotels like we should.

In the future, perhaps it’s good to have a full face mask with SCBA like fire fighters use to rescue people from burning building.

I think you're dreaming with regard to RS owners. A rescuer might use a Scuba kit already on board tho.

But, even if you are budget limited. I see fireproof ponchos on Amazon for a $100. Add to that a 3cuft SpareAir, bring your shoes to your cabin, and for <$500 you have drastically improved odds of successful escape. You only need to get 10m or so in most boats. Spread that cost over 30ish active weeks per year and you have a viable escape solution for $15/passenger even if you were to replace every year.

I think you're dreaming with regard to RS owners.

 

[Mike Walker]

Yes very true - whilst I was on Emperor Explorer two weeks ago - the fire alarm went during the day between dives. I was resting but people (slowly) came out of their cabins thinking it was a false alarm. The dive guide called (like it was a regular occurrence) "Its OK, its just the kitchen" I still don't know if there was an actual fire or not!

This is a huge issue as well - alarms being ignored.

One facility I worked on in the past had the fire alarms set so loud that it was impossible to stay in the space. AFAIK this was a design choice and was very effective.

I think you're dreaming with regard to RS owners.

The only way to break the race to the bottom is for customers to become more informed and demand better from their suppliers. That's why I'm harping on this issue in a public forum.

 

[Dan]

But, even if you are budget limited. I see fireproof ponchos on Amazon for a $100. Add to that a 3cuft SpareAir, bring your shoes to your cabin, and for <$500 you have drastically improved odds of successful escape.

SpareAir…Hey I got one of those for my birthday present. It’s a good idea to start bringing it with me to a liveaboard trip and put it in my cabin with my spare mask next to my bed. I can bring it in my carryon empty and fill it in when I am onboard by tapping 2cft off my first checkout dive Scuba tank. Then empty it again before flying home with it (see the kit, below).

I normally get the main or upper deck cabin, but sometimes the only available one is on downstair cabin.

 

[scubadada]

Maybe liveboards should be thought of more like airplanes than automobiles. Airplanes still have rare accidents, but they are very uncommon.