Question Regarding expanding our business in USA

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e_badawi

e_badawi

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Hello all,
Me and my wife/business partner @Menna ibrahim are thinking about expanding our diving business from Egypt to USA.

We are Americans from NJ, moved and operating in Egypt for the past 3 years.
We have good traction from Germany and Russia. And we would like to expand our base here in America.

Any thoughts and feedback will be greatly appreciated.
 
I'm going to try to be constructive.

There are a lot of places in the US that don't have good instructors available. Find a location with a base of "hungry" divers that don't have many other options.
Such as where?
That is the true help we are looking for. Such opinion REALLY matters.

Thanks again in advance.
 
Such as where?
That is the true help we are looking for. Such opinion REALLY matters.

Thanks again in advance.
Detroit, Chicago, Minneapolis.
These are cold places with international airports. The great lakes are attractive for technical divers who are used to winter travel for diving.
I suggest you start with dive shop B2B partnerships and open a booking office when you get a feel for your customers.

You may have to comp (gift) a few instructor slots to gain traction.

Do you have a business plan?
What is the added value for your customer?
What is your "perfect" customer profile?
What kind or ROI do you need to succeed?
Can you survive a couple of years of loss or do you need immediate profitability?
How savvy are you at US leisure travel marketing?
Do you want to rely on "word of mouth" organic growth or active marketing?

Good luck and bil tawfiq
 
What happened to your website, says suspended.

What is expanding your business in the US?
What website?
We didn't have a "website" for years 🙄!!!

Expanding meaning trainings then maybe take our students to dive in Egypt.


I asked about your website, and you scoffed at me. I guess you got it after that.

So. you have a nice day boat and training out of Hurghada. I don't see doing training in the US as a profitable business, there are already many operators demonstrating that. The best areas for diving already have a plethora of operators. I don't see many of your trainees going to Egypt for their certification dives or a dive vacation. I may be entirely off base and look forward to seeing what you do. I think you may be quite naive. Time will tell.
 
Hello all,
Me and my wife/business partner @Menna ibrahim are thinking about expanding our diving business from Egypt to USA.

We are Americans from NJ, moved and operating in Egypt for the past 3 years.
We have good traction from Germany and Russia. And we would like to expand our base here in America.

Any thoughts and feedback will be greatly appreciated.
I'm unclear on whether he means to bring his boat to the US. If so, that really restricts where might go.
With our without a boat, I don't see what distinguishes him from many other fast-talking instructors and dive ops. Most locations that have decent diving already have boats and not enough business. He WILL take business from others, no matter what he says.
He needs to develop a product that distinguishes him from others.
If he tries to du it by cutting prices, he will lose. People will pay for quality training and diving....how many of those folks does he need? Can they be locals or travelers? Likely the latter. Working thee out is his business plan. Which he does not have.
 
So. you have a nice day boat and training out of Hurghada. I don't see doing training in the US as a profitable business, there are already many operators demonstrating that. The best areas for diving already have a plethora of operators. I don't see many of your trainees going to Egypt for their certification dives or a dive vacation. I may be entirely off base and look forward to seeing what you do. I think you may be quite naive. Time will tell.

As an American and literally the only person I personally know who is ever been to Egypt (for any reason), I would reinforce that.

When I tell people I went to Egypt for a scuba trip they look at me like I have three heads. Their usual reaction is something like: “why on earth would you go to Egypt?“ Not because they don’t think of Egypt as a scuba destination, though that is certainly part of it. But mainly because they think of Egypt as a wildly dangerous and uncomfortable place for Americans to go.

Now, I don’t agree with this. Which is why I went to Egypt for a liveaboard! But it’s closer to the truth than many people would like. For example, seeing multiple guards armed with fully automatic weapons moving money from an armored car into a bank is not a typical experience for an American. Having English be no better than the third most common language (behind Arabic and Russian!) is also not comfortable for an American. Having travel to Egypt being marked by the US State department with a level three advisory (reconsider travel) due to terrorism is not comfortable for an American.

So I can tell you that you are already going to be starting at a significant disadvantage. You’re going to have to dig your sales process out of the very deep hole that it will already start in for the average American.

Plus, there’s lots of logistical difficulties. To my knowledge, there are zero direct flights from the United States to Egypt. Every flight I could find required literally an overnight layover in an airport in Europe. Not something most people are going to be willing to do. I ended up taking a flight from Toronto direct to Egypt, but that required me to take a bus from Detroit to Toronto and spend an extra night in Toronto. I enjoyed it as part of the adventure; most people won’t put up with that kind of nonsense.

And if you don’t plan any kind of tie in with your existing Egyptian business, then your business really isn’t going to be any different than any of the other established scuba businesses already here in the United States. Most of which are struggling, and the market seems to be shrinking each day. Maybe you have an established product and process in Egypt that will translate well to the United States. But given the incredibly different economic and political climate, I find that somewhat unlikely. But hey, I’ve been wrong before. :-)
 
Detroit, Chicago, Minneapolis.
These are cold places with international airports. The great lakes are attractive for technical divers who are used to winter travel for diving.
I suggest you start with dive shop B2B partnerships and open a booking office when you get a feel for your customers.

You may have to comp (gift) a few instructor slots to gain traction.

Do you have a business plan?
What is the added value for your customer?
What is your "perfect" customer profile?
What kind or ROI do you need to succeed?
Can you survive a couple of years of loss or do you need immediate profitability?
How savvy are you at US leisure travel marketing?
Do you want to rely on "word of mouth" organic growth or active marketing?

Good luck and bil tawfiq
Really appreciate your thoughts and recommendations. It make sense in fact.
 
I'm unclear on whether he means to bring his boat to the US. If so, that really restricts where might go.
With our without a boat, I don't see what distinguishes him from many other fast-talking instructors and dive ops. Most locations that have decent diving already have boats and not enough business. He WILL take business from others, no matter what he says.
He needs to develop a product that distinguishes him from others.
If he tries to du it by cutting prices, he will lose. People will pay for quality training and diving....how many of those folks does he need? Can they be locals or travelers? Likely the latter. Working thee out is his business plan. Which he does not have.
"he" is me... My name is Emad!
No, I will not bring my boat from Egypt.
No, I am not form that business school gaining customers by cutting prices.
All cars has 4 wheels and a driver seat. They did not distinguishes themselves outside that portfolio. However, they added different options and technologies that came with a price. In other words, the base product is as good as it is.

Anyways... Here is a product, feel free to try it!



By all means... Thanks for the comment.
 

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