solo training vs firefighters training whats the difference

[jbomb001]

I never said I took public safety diver and the only fire training that I have taken that is focused on rescuing your partner is rit/ fast class the rest focus on self rescue and self reliance not that I would ever think of leaving a buddy behind but that's the brotherhood for ya.

 

[lowviz]

...//... rit/ fast class ...//...

Ok I spent two winters in Webster, to me "rit" is Rochester Institute of Technology.

You are in the "solo" forum, gloves tend to be off.

...//.. I have taken a large # of firefighter classes and they all teach self reliance first and foremost ...//...

At the University?

 

[jbomb001]

Lol yes gloves be off lol witch is fine lol rit-rapid intervention team an no it was taken at the state fire academy

 

[lowviz]

Excellent.

So where is the confusion between solo mindset and team-think?

If you were in trouble U/W and happened upon me diving solo (which I do), we would strive to get through this "issue" together...

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...//... is there're anything that a solo class can teach me that I have not learned as a fire fighter?

Yes, take the course.

 

[jbomb001]

No real confusion between the two. Just looking for information as to weather or not the class would teach me anything new. And yes if I came across another solo or non solo diver in trouble id help regardless

 

[lowviz]

Oh yes, train with these guys as an extra: http://teamlgs.com/ It is possible that you may like their "attitude" and skills.

 

[jbomb001]

Lol we have a tdi / erdi instructor in our dept. He may get upset if I bring in a new instructor ;-)

 

[lowviz]

No doubt about that.

 

[Jai Bar]

I have passed all the three stages of stupidity on my way to becoming a solo diver:

1. Over confident with single tank, yoke.

2. Single tank with double valve/first regs, yoke.

3. Confident with single cylinder and pony, both yoke.

4. Dual cylinder, sidemuounted, DIN.

Now, I'm not going to preach you whether this is the only way to go, or this or that is stupidity.

But- beware of over confidence- there are many things we don't know, including you, most likely. So, in my opinion it is not s bad idea pursuing new skills, further training and experience. You'll always benefit from learning something new, that somehow you didn't figure out by yourself. And you get someone with experience to check you out before you plunge deep into solo.

Personally I started sidemounting on DIN regs after fragging oring burst on me when I was in my third stage of stupidity, lost lots of my back air, pony wasn't enough to get me back, and was on boat infested waters. With side mount you have both valves handy and under your eyes, a free flow is super simple to manage in less than five seconds, entanglements just as easy. Experienced both and was grateful to be on SM. Tanks are same capacity, with simple gas management there is also less risk on way back. Some are happy with doubles backmount, but I think for solo one has less control, no visual on first regs and valves, depend on drills that are more complicated and take more time alone, compared with SM.

My two cents.


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[dytis-sm]

I think that solo diving is the taboo of the diving community. Just the term alone sparks debate even in a forum dedicated to the subject. I consider myself a new diver (75 dives since getting certified in 2011) and cannot help laugh with the pretentious reactions of some divers to solo diving. Everyone has dived solo whether intentionaly or not. As I gain more experience I realize what a useless buddy I was for probably my first 20-30 dives (if not more). I was actually more of a liability, so I am now not shocked by the fact that the same people that taught me never to dive alone, dropped me off to the boat after the safety stop and went back to the bottom to enjoy the rest of their dive alone...

Diving alone is risky so solo diving may add some risks but I think that ones does not become a good buddy until he/she are confident enough to dive solo. I just did my first few solo dives and I can say that it added an extra level of confidence (not to be confused with overconfidence). I tool the plunge after studying for a while other solo divers, this board, shared experiences, etc. I understand that there is more risk but I felt that there was no more risk that diving with someone that just got their OW certification and is now is my buddy for a 100ft dive (a real experience). As a matter of fact I think that two inexperienced divers in a buddy team are at a bigger risk than an experienced diver with redundant air and mask in the same environment.

I came to this forum to gather more info and I am shocked that the same debate that litters the rest of the forums is here. Can we leave the solo diver forum dedicated to solo diver issues/discussion and not whether is right or wrong?