RadRob
Contributor
I feel the need to defend myself. How terrible I have to defend against personal attacks on a message board meant for discussion and debate. Personal attacks and bashing is different and deterorates the integrity of this board, while disagreement and debate is healthy and what forums are about. But here it goes...
I never said I punch people or knock them out every time there is a rescue. What I said was... I would if the need was there. And I should have said stun, as knockng people out is more difficult and ridiculous to think this is what I do. Sorry, forgot that people here take EVERYTHING literally and analyze everything looking for a chance to jump someone's butt.
And to all the firefighting gurus here who wrote SOP's and manuals for the entire nation and happen to grace me with their presence here... If you are saying that it isn't taught to not be part of the problem and to do what it takes to come out alive, it is suprising you are still alive. In my department and all the training facilities in the area, they teach you that you can't help if you aren't physically able or disabled by a panicked person. If a panicked person is fighting you and is putting your life in danger, yes, you do what it takes to get yourself and that person out. Were we told directly, word for word, to punch someone in every situation or "wap" someone 50 times, no. Thats the dumbest assumption I have seen here. NEVER did I say I have done that. I have seen a few situations where it was needed and it did happen. They both survived. That is fire rescue, not diving so I wont go into that any further.
For reference, in my area, we have 2 dams with swift water spillways that sweep idiots at least every other month who get caught off guard for whatever stupid reason when the gates open. When you have dams, there are usually lakes on the other side. In rough waters, there are times divers are called to help in rescues, and occasionally search and recovery. During the summer times, there are plenty of people on the lakes drinking and plenty of accidents that happen. And the need to rescue arises frequently, unfortunately.
For those who are simply sitting and waiting for someone to ambush, when I asked about "contraindicated" it was EXACTLY THAT, a question. I may not be the lexicon, dictionary, expert so I guess I wont ask about words you all use when posting. I apologize.
Mr. Plumb Bob - please feel free to IM me and let me know your extensive knowledge on either diving or firefighting and I would appreciate the name calling and personal attacks being left out. This is a discussion forum and when people disagree with what my views are, I don't mind, I'm a big boy. I really don't care what names people call me either, but to keep this board from becomming nothing more than a name calling, people bashing, trash board, please leave me alone and keep the name calling to yourself. This is a simple request from a dork.
Let the ripping begin...
I never said I punch people or knock them out every time there is a rescue. What I said was... I would if the need was there. And I should have said stun, as knockng people out is more difficult and ridiculous to think this is what I do. Sorry, forgot that people here take EVERYTHING literally and analyze everything looking for a chance to jump someone's butt.
And to all the firefighting gurus here who wrote SOP's and manuals for the entire nation and happen to grace me with their presence here... If you are saying that it isn't taught to not be part of the problem and to do what it takes to come out alive, it is suprising you are still alive. In my department and all the training facilities in the area, they teach you that you can't help if you aren't physically able or disabled by a panicked person. If a panicked person is fighting you and is putting your life in danger, yes, you do what it takes to get yourself and that person out. Were we told directly, word for word, to punch someone in every situation or "wap" someone 50 times, no. Thats the dumbest assumption I have seen here. NEVER did I say I have done that. I have seen a few situations where it was needed and it did happen. They both survived. That is fire rescue, not diving so I wont go into that any further.
For reference, in my area, we have 2 dams with swift water spillways that sweep idiots at least every other month who get caught off guard for whatever stupid reason when the gates open. When you have dams, there are usually lakes on the other side. In rough waters, there are times divers are called to help in rescues, and occasionally search and recovery. During the summer times, there are plenty of people on the lakes drinking and plenty of accidents that happen. And the need to rescue arises frequently, unfortunately.
For those who are simply sitting and waiting for someone to ambush, when I asked about "contraindicated" it was EXACTLY THAT, a question. I may not be the lexicon, dictionary, expert so I guess I wont ask about words you all use when posting. I apologize.
Mr. Plumb Bob - please feel free to IM me and let me know your extensive knowledge on either diving or firefighting and I would appreciate the name calling and personal attacks being left out. This is a discussion forum and when people disagree with what my views are, I don't mind, I'm a big boy. I really don't care what names people call me either, but to keep this board from becomming nothing more than a name calling, people bashing, trash board, please leave me alone and keep the name calling to yourself. This is a simple request from a dork.
Let the ripping begin...