Reply from Viking re: Oriskany ripoff

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The previous thread on this topic thoroughly established the ownership of the wreck, and it was determined that it is indeed against the law to remove anything from it. You may not agree with the law, but that does not give you the right to break it.
 
I have followed this thread very closely and am amazed at the interest in this issue. I am not going to defend the Captain or the individual that took the panel from the "O". I don't know either of them. But a little restraint is due here.

As a shop that is somewhat "local" to this wreck, I have an interest different from many. To some degree, it is an economic interest. I expect I will eventually offer group trips to dive the wreck. So clearly, I probably have an economic interest.

It is fairly clear to me that taking artifacts from this wreck is illegal. It is fairly clear to me that the individual who took the artifacts "backed" into a crime of his own commission, a crime based on an activity that is applauded by many, that is the envy of thousands when done on other wreck, and an activity about which several books have been written. It is fairly clear to me that the Captain is either directly, or indirectly, involved in this "crime" and is deserving of some admonishment.

When the first news of the potential sinking of this wreck became local news, one of the concerns was the lack of dive boats in the Pensacola area to take recreational divers (who represent about 95% of all those that will ever dive the wreck) to the site. There is some fear that the absolute bottom depth of this dive site might cause the insurance companies who insure the recreational boats going to this site to make an exclusion preventing insured trips. Pensacola, for all of its great attractions and great resources, have never been a gigantic "diving" attraction like Panama City. This is for many reasons. Hotels aren't located close to the marinas. Lodging is expensive. The number of "shop" owned boats are limited. This makes air fills and cylinder rentals difficult for larger "group" trips. Many things make Pensacola less "group trip friendly" as to diving. Group trips are essential to the long term viability of any dive operation on the pan handle coast.

This thread has clearly caught the Captain in question quite off guard. He probably participated in an activity not realizing the uproar it would cause. He was then called on the carpet by an entire, large community. The internet has a tremendous power. In fact, many people make their living on the internet. I am one of those. But the internet also has a somewhat dangerous power. It can serve to "swamp" an individual or organization in a way that makes a defense impossible.

The Captain in question is like a deer caught in the headlights of an on-coming car. He doesn't quickly realize what is coming toward him. As a result, he freezes and does all of the wrong things. As I personally read the Captain's responses here, it is clear that for all of the many wonderful traits he probably possesses, written articulation is not one of them. His responses are rather ham-handed. They do him more harm than good. This captain probably runs a fairly good charter boat operation. He satisfies a lot of people and provides a service they like. Like any merchant, he does things that does not satisfy some. We need to be careful not to continue to batter this individual for his mistake. It is likely that we are approaching the point where it may become impossible for him to continue to operate. The local dive stores may be reluctant to channel customers to him because of the potential for bad publicity. Like many in the scuba diving industry of late, he may get disgusted with this whole business and simply throw his hands up. This certainly will not benefit divers. After all, there remains a shortage of dive boat operations in the Pensacola area. I doubt if it will help if the area loses one.

Before we continue to debate what WE think should happen to this Captain because of how WE view his actions and his operation, lets remember that he is a small merchant, trying to make a living. Does he make mistakes? You bet. We all do. I don't understand how further bashing this individual over this mistake helps anyone, except for those that simply want to be heard on the internet.

And please don't respond to me pointing out the law, the restrictions on this particular wreck, its status as a war memorial, or any of the other GOOD reasons why divers should leave this wreck alone. I am smart enough to have read all of the comments already made about these issues. You don't need to tell me again.

Why don't we leave the guy alone and let him think about his actions and change the way he operates. Sometimes, when someone is caught with the "hand in the cookie jar", a little time and space allows the person to self-correct. That usually works quite well. If it doesn't, we can come back in a couple of months and start another thread bashing him. Let's not continue to beat the horse at this time. Anyway, my opinion. Thanks.

Phil Ellis
 
Spectre:
I haven't seen any plans of divers refloating the wreck... or is the wreck itself not the most interesting bit?

So, it's ok to vandalize it so long as people leave most of it? Or, so long as people leave what they consider to be the most interesting parts?

I'm just asking. :confused:
 
people who try to justify stripping the O, and captain tim. Of course, I think I already stated in another thread that I would not dive with anyone I find to be a jerk, so maybe this is a redundant post.

Those 'bits of junk' are significant, they give us something to look at, take pictures of, and take pictures with, until such a time as they are overgrown and no longer visible.
Also the big O is now a reef, artificial though it may be, so I class taking a piece of her the same as knocking off a piece of coral to take home as a souvenir. It leaves less for others to enjoy. Continued disturbance of artifacts would also make it harder for marine organisms to colonize successfully. JMAO, you may disagree if you like, but if I were to see divers entering wreck with obvious intent to 'salvage' something I might be inclined to 'salvage' that line I see that they left behind them entering as my 'souvenir' of the dive :wink:
 
NadMat:
...but if I were to see divers entering wreck with obvious intent to 'salvage' something I might be inclined to 'salvage' that line I see that they left behind them entering as my 'souvenir' of the dive :wink:

Ah, so taking a piece of metal off of a scrapped vessel is equal to murder on your moral ground? Interesting point of view. If that were my line and I did make it back, you might be in for an interesting ride home.
 
Fascinating.
 

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