Regulator sourcing discussion

[mathauck0814]

diy is not the issue- i have a machinist background and im sure i wouldnt have an issue with a regulator rebuilt.

I was just trying to point out a lot of hog users here on this board are quick to say that you can rebuild them yourself; when a neebie post a new thread and is looking for his/her first reg ???? and yes i was one that this was sales pitched to me.
as well as reading alot of drama some of the hog users added daily hear. almost didn't want to affiliate myself and have something in common. Im weird like that. Im big customer service and professionalism when i comes to sales.


so again i can see the benefit of it rebuilding it yourself but I am guessing its not for 95% of divers out there?


like i stated above- just seems like some members here that rep of for hog or dive hog regs do the biz(hog) more harm than good. maybe something they should look into.


I have a background of owning a few large forums and dealing with tons of vendors/members daily so i can understand most of the forum antics.

I think what you're saying is fair. Perhaps a little context is in order? From what I understand Chris produces HOG as a technical divers' line of equipment. It's designed for that use and positioned to those of us who want that type of functionality and reliability. To that end, the HOG regulator repair course is only accessible to those with a technical diving certification. At 0-24 dives, you're not a candidate and it's foolish for people to push the reg on you.

If you had, at some point along the way, suggested that you were looking at a technical diving track and gave the impression that you'd arrive there sooner or later, then the push might have made sense. Otherwise, it may have been more appropriate to steer you at the Edge line which is more aligned to recreational divers' needs (still great regs, but the whole yoke valve bit, etc. makes it a good choice for vacation divers).

You've made several statements that you don't necessarily believe that those who have the regs actually take advantage of the self-service model, and that may well be true; however, there are more HOG divers servicing their own gear than any other - I'd reckon based on availability of parts and training to do so. For my wife and I, it's a must given the frequency that we're in the water and the type of diving that we are doing - we just don't have time to leave our regs at the LDS for 5-7 days to get rebuilt. It's a lifesaver to be able to tech them in my living room on the evening of my choosing while I watch the news. If you don't need that and don't value that, no problem.

But all of this is incredibly off topic as this is a manufacturing discussion...

 

[Scott L]

To what extent is Atomic regs build in-house?

 

[cerich]

I'm still trying to get my mind around the idea that i should look into somehow controlling what HOG users say about HOG......

short answer, no I am not going to.

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to my knowledge they are built almost all in house, some parts are outsourced for sure as is chroming I have been told. In fact I consider Atomic, Some Oceanic regs and the Sherwood SR1 the only actual made in USA regulators on the market.

I have no interest in building my regs in house. My oem is more than able to do the job very well.

To what extent is Atomic regs build in-house?

 

[redacted]

I think what you're saying is fair. Perhaps a little context is in order? From what I understand Chris produces HOG as a technical divers' line of equipment. It's designed for that use and positioned to those of us who want that type of functionality and reliability. To that end, the HOG regulator repair course is only accessible to those with a technical diving certification. At 0-24 dives, you're not a candidate and it's foolish for people to push the reg on you.

If you had, at some point along the way, suggested that you were looking at a technical diving track and gave the impression that you'd arrive there sooner or later, then the push might have made sense. Otherwise, it may have been more appropriate to steer you at the Edge line which is more aligned to recreational divers' needs (still great regs, but the whole yoke valve bit, etc. makes it a good choice for vacation divers).

You've made several statements that you don't necessarily believe that those who have the regs actually take advantage of the self-service model, and that may well be true; however, there are more HOG divers servicing their own gear than any other - I'd reckon based on availability of parts and training to do so. For my wife and I, it's a must given the frequency that we're in the water and the type of diving that we are doing - we just don't have time to leave our regs at the LDS for 5-7 days to get rebuilt. It's a lifesaver to be able to tech them in my living room on the evening of my choosing while I watch the news. If you don't need that and don't value that, no problem.

But all of this is incredibly off topic as this is a manufacturing discussion...

Yes, there may well be too much push of HOG/Edge based on the DIY support provided by the mfgr. The vast majority of recreational divers are not interested in DIY service. For that very large group of divers, the attraction to HOG/Edge should be the high performance regs at a price that beats the pants off of most competitors. The only caution I see is to make sure they have adequate access to a service provider since they will not DIY.

 

[cerich]

the good news here is that my dealer network is growing very rapidly. A couple a week. even if they don't have a local shop to service most divers will find the turn around by mail is just as fast with my dealers doing it by mails as most local dive shops manage.

Yes, there may well be too much push of HOG/Edge based on the DIY support provided by the mfgr. The vast majority of recreational divers are not interested in DIY service. For that very large group of divers, the attraction to HOG/Edge should be the high performance regs at a price that beats the pants off of most competitors. The only caution I see is to make sure they have adequate access to a service provider since they will not DIY.

 

[BDSC]

Since I know little if anything about HOG regs I have a question.

If a diver buys HOG regs and wants to do their own service, are they required to take some sort of course before they can buy the parts to do so. I can't tell if that's the case from what I'm reading so far.

 

[divad]

Since I know little if anything about HOG regs I have a question.

If a diver buys HOG regs and wants to do their own service, are they required to take some sort of course before they can buy the parts to do so. I can't tell if that's the case from what I'm reading so far.

You can buy the parts without the course.

 

[Jim Lapenta]

I'd say look on some of the retailers that sell the brand. It's what attracted me in the first place. The first set of HOG regs I bought was purchased on a site where I could just add the service kits to my cart. Still can be done. So the answer is no. You can buy them without taking the class. Same as you can brake pads, reloading equipment, or parts for your furnace. What you do with them is up to you.

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[cerich]

to be clear we recommend that people take training before attempting to service their equipment.

 

[Zung]

... Even now, 15 years since starting, DIY does not save me $$$. But, rather than spending it at some dive shop for labor, I see a good buy on another BP/W or even another regulator I don't need but can't live without...

The magic sentence I've been looking for all these years!
Just got my 7th MK20...