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Bruciebabe:
The people I saw totally wrecking the reef in PG were all wearing gloves. Perhaps if these gloves were taken off them they would do less damage.

that story again eh?! but you also said their fins were banging on the corals even creating a huge mushroom like cloud underwater...do we take their fins off as well? C'mon bruce, can't you see that your argument is not convincing. To each his own, i'm comfortable diving with gloves and I don't touch the corals/reef. Accidental? yes, Intentionally, No nO NO.
 
Bruciebabe:
Obviously you guys are all perfect divers and never touch the living reef. However in my experience gloved divers do touch the reef, sometimes a lot, whilst un gloved divers rarely touch the reef. Touching the reef is extremely damaging.

I am not a perfect diver but I do all I can to avoid contact with the living reef. If I ever touch the reef it is either by accident or extreme necessity, in which cases it would happen whether Im wearing gloves or not. I know that touching the reef is extremely damaging. Wearing gloves is not.

Bruciebabe:
So anyone who wants to conserve the reef would not wear gloves and would not want to see others wearing gloves. This is why it is the law in so many places. It encourages people to dive properly.

I want to conserve the reefs. I am more comfortable wearing gloves and the law in many places has nothing to do with my reasons for doing so.

Encourage divers to dive properly? BS. What do you suppose such poorly trained diver, prevented from using his hands, will use to push off a reef to prevent himself from crashing? The solution is education and training. Do your job as an instructor.

Bruciebabe:
The people I saw totally wrecking the reef in PG were all wearing gloves. Perhaps if these gloves were taken off them they would do less damage.

Perhaps, but there are more effective solutions, among them education and training. And why take the gloves off everybody?

Bruciebabe:
And the Coral Reef Alliance, dedicated to looking after reefs worldwide, is anti glove:

http://www.coralreefalliance.org/howyoucanhelp/coralfriendlydivers.html

They recommend avoiding the use of gloves in reefs. YOU are anti-glove.

Bruciebabe:
Avoid all contact with corals and other marine life and never chase or ride marine animals
Take nothing living or dead out of the sea, except recent garbage
Maintain good buoyancy control
Practice good finning technique and body control
Ensure all equipment is well secured so that it cannot drag or snag on corals
Only handle, manipulate or feed marine life under expert guidance, never just to take photographs
Avoid using gloves and kneepads in coral reef environments

All good practices which should be reminded to all divers. Note that the term "avoid" implies that it is allowable in certain cercumstances.

Any piece of gear can be misused, by intent or out of ignorance or lack of skill. But I will repeat as often as you want that I and a lot of people, unlike you, are more comfortable diving with gloves and have valid uses for them, but have as much concern for reefs as you do.
 
Bruciebabe:
Let's face it, if you really are a good diver you don't need gloves unless it is very cold. So why wear them?

Not everybody is as good as you, the downcurrents at the canyons are not evreybody's idea of fun. But if you want, we can take you to sites where i assure you you will be hanging on for dear life.

If you actually read the preceding posts, our reasons for wearing them have been mentioned several times.
 
Brucie, if it's regarding those divers in PG . . . . it ain't the GLOVES . . again and again, it's the divers attitude, and the DM's responsibility to discipline them.
 
Matthew:
Not everybody is as good as you, the downcurrents at the canyons are not evreybody's idea of fun. But if you want, we can take you to sites where i assure you you will be hanging on for dear life.

If you actually read the preceding posts, our reasons for wearing them have been mentioned several times.

it's quite clear that nobody posting in this thread condones doing damage to reefs, not you and definitely not us...but there are other reasons for having and allowing gloves here, and this is a whole new story. Gloves are not just for touching things.

heard this story from my OW instructor...an "anti-"glove" american diver (close friend of my instructor) and my OW instructor dove PG (can't recall what site though). he asked the american guy "don't you have gloves? just in case you'll need it?"...american guy "nope not me, never!"... they were caught by the current and were being dragged down...clawing to the reef while the current was ripping mr instructor puts on his gloves. american guy clung for dear life with his bare hands. they aborted the dive and while at the resort the american gets his badly bruised hands treated. a few hours after...he asks mr instructor to accompany him to the dive shop....guess what the "anti-glove" guy bought? :D he bought 4 pairs!

on a personal note...i'm much more comfortable diving without gloves. but once in a while i try to use them just to get a feel of how to operate my bc with gloves on.
 
Let's lobby the banning of these things as well due to the harm and trouble they MAY bring to this world
1. Cars - a lot of people get killed by cars. Cars kill people! (not the driver?)
2. CD / DVD burners - a lot of people pirate stuff violating copyright laws. CD / DVD burners violate copyright laws! (not the person who used it?)
3. Photocopiers - same reason as above.
4 The Internet - Porno, internet scams etc.. The internet is responsible for our kids now being able to see porno online and people are TEMPTED to cook up scams because of it. lets ban it

what else can you add guys?
 
Do you know how many Japanese die at their desks each year? That means WORK is dangerous, ban work! :D
 
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