Logging dives towards instructor exam by hanging off anchor line at 20'?
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SeaLevelScuba:
The same syllabus is not used. PADI doesn't really have an outline for their course. The manual they recommend is one from one of the other agencies. They also don't allow OOA scenarios to be done in the overhead environment. I agree with Mike, the PADI course has a lot to be desired, a lot. I have the instructor cert, but my plan is to go on to one of the other agencies and earn their cert. I know an instructor who was planning on getting the PADI cavern instructor cert. I'm not sure how he planned on doing it since he wasn't caver certified. I don't think he was even intro certified. Probably all he had was a PADI cavern cert with 20 guided dives in Mexico.
When I did my cavern course, my cave instructor gave me the option of getting a PADI cavern card. Now I wish I had done it...only because it would be funny to see his name on the card.
Dive-aholic:The same syllabus is not used. PADI doesn't really have an outline for their course. The manual they recommend is one from one of the other agencies. They also don't allow OOA scenarios to be done in the overhead environment. I agree with Mike, the PADI course has a lot to be desired, a lot. I have the instructor cert, but my plan is to go on to one of the other agencies and earn their cert. I know an instructor who was planning on getting the PADI cavern instructor cert. I'm not sure how he planned on doing it since he wasn't caver certified. I don't think he was even intro certified. Probably all he had was a PADI cavern cert with 20 guided dives in Mexico.
When I did my cavern course, my cave instructor gave me the option of getting a PADI cavern card. Now I wish I had done it...only because it would be funny to see his name on the card.
PADI does have a standardized outline and has had one for some time, it is based on the 1989 NSS-CDS Cavern Instructor manual. Now back in 1989 they did not have a outline so if we wanted to offer the Cavern specialty for the folks who were working on their MSD ratings it had to be a Distinctive Specialty, this was accomplished by writing the standard "Key Standards" portion and submitting the NSS-CDS Cavern Instructor guide in its entirety as the syllabus. While I'll admit prior to the recent changes there were some areas in which PADI was lacking in the course, which with the recent changes have brought them more in line with what the cave agencies are doing in regards to OOA in the OH and gas planning.
PADI has always (at least since 1989) required a copy of the Instructors Intro to Cave cert card to be submitted with the application for the rating, recently the change has upped the required rating to Full Cave. The 3rd Quarter Training Bulletin has these changes in them.
Yes, the recent changes to the PADI cavern course bring it closer to what other cavern courses are but not quit. My main point of course was the instructor training for teaching in an overhead. The other agencies require quit a bit but PADI doesn't require any.
The same is true for the wreck specialty. Only in this case the instrutor can teach in an overhead without ever even had any student level training in wreck penetration.
The same is true for the wreck specialty. Only in this case the instrutor can teach in an overhead without ever even had any student level training in wreck penetration.
What does Cave diving have to do with a guy hanging off of a line at 20 FSW to log dives to become an OWSI?
Yep Mike, we both share the same concern regarding the Wreck specialty, in my view wrecks are even more dangerous because there is no specific training one must do to teach in that challenging environment.
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Or if you're not.D_B:
Several years ago I had to take an instructor candidate to the quarry so he could get his last 5 dives to make his 100. I had him take a Search & Recovery class, which covered 3 dives(he already had dive 1 from AOW) and the last 2 we toured the quarry. No just hanging on a line.
SeaLevelScuba:
They do have an "outline", but it's nothing like their other specialties. Like you said, it's basically, refer to the NSS manual and standards. Even now, the PADI cavern specialty still refers to NACD/NSS/GUE student manuals and has a very basic outline compared to their other specialties.
Yes, they do require a cave cert card, but they no longer require proof of number of dives, not that 20 is a whole lot of dives anyway.
That's been an issue with me for a while. Even the TDI Advanced wreck course only consists of 10 (?) dives compared to the minimum of at least 16 required for a full cave cert. There should be some type of training program for wreck diving similar to what cave divers have.
howarde:
It's not cave diving, it's the requirements to become a cavern instructor for PADI. It's just showing a pattern. I could get my cave cert, do 20 dives to just beyond the cavern zone and submit this to PADI and become a cavern instructor without ever doing another cave dive, or a "real" cave dive for that matter. Actually, I don't even need to do the dives. No logs required.
howarde:
Cave diving doesn't have anything to do with it but we weren't really talking about cave diving. The point of the discussion was instructor requirements.
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