I've had it with wireless air integration

[doctormike]

I can't resist either.

Not sure why you think that it's not wireless?

It is BOTH wireless and hoseless. There is a wireless transmitter which is connected to your first stage which transmits wireless data to a wireless receiver on your wrist. That wireless data is processed by the wireless computer and displayed for your your edification. Should the wireless transmission not be received by the wireless receiver, there is a problem and also the gist of this string of endless posts.

Now I can't resist either!


The term "wireless" evolved because certain electronic gadgets were developed which replaced a wired connection with a radio (or later, wifi and bluetooth) connection. So the wireless version of a gadget was one that replaced the wire with a transmitter-receiver. Sort of like a car was a "horseless carriage". And yes, since in the vast majority of systems using a radio transmitter transmit electrical signals that would have gone by wire, the term "wireless" has become synonymous for any transmitted data that doesn't use a physical connection.

But an SPG or console AI computer never transmitted tank pressure as an electrical signal by wire, it was always transmitted by an HP hose.

The correct term is hoseless, in this context. Yes, you are using a radio that is ALSO used in wireless gadgets to replace wires. But in this case, the radio is replacing the hose.

Just imagine if the Suunto Vyper Air was invented before the cordless phone. Would you think that it was correct to refer to one of those phones as "hoseless"? It's the same thing...

MUCH more interesting discussion than the previous one!

 

[scubadada]

The answer is 42.

That's correct

 

[agilis]

Now I can't resist either!


The term "wireless" evolved because certain electronic gadgets were developed which replaced a wired connection with a radio (or later, wifi and bluetooth) connection. So the wireless version of a gadget was one that replaced the wire with a transmitter-receiver. Sort of like a car was a "horseless carriage". And yes, since in the vast majority of systems using a radio transmitter transmit electrical signals that would have gone by wire, the term "wireless" has become synonymous for any transmitted data that doesn't use a physical connection.

But an SPG or console AI computer never transmitted tank pressure as an electrical signal by wire, it was always transmitted by an HP hose.

The correct term is hoseless, in this context. Yes, you are using a radio that is ALSO used in wireless gadgets to replace wires. But in this case, the radio is replacing the hose.

Just imagine if the Suunto Vyper Air was invented before the cordless phone. Would you think that it was correct to refer to one of those phones as "hoseless"? It's the same thing...

MUCH more interesting discussion than the previous one!

The correct term is wireless. The connection is electrical, not mechanical. The data is transmitted via an electrical signal, and the devices could easily be converted to a wire connection. They could not be converted to a HP hose connection. That the devices did not exist first in a wired arrangement is irrelevant.

Their direct analogs and related equipment in land based applications, like pressure measuring gauges in construction or manufacturing equipment and automotive applications, are hard wired for reasons of reliability. That these diving A/I computers were never wired reflects only the environment in which they were designed to function. They are electrical equipment utilizing wireless radio waves instead of direct wire connections. These devices have absolutely no design similarity or developmental connection with pressure hose equipment.

 

[paulw]

X, Y, or 42 are OK unless you use one of these to attach it then you'll die !!

 

[tridacna]

Now I can't resist either!


The term "wireless" evolved because certain electronic gadgets were developed which replaced a wired connection with a radio (or later, wifi and bluetooth) connection. So the wireless version of a gadget was one that replaced the wire with a transmitter-receiver. Sort of like a car was a "horseless carriage". And yes, since in the vast majority of systems using a radio transmitter transmit electrical signals that would have gone by wire, the term "wireless" has become synonymous for any transmitted data that doesn't use a physical connection.

But an SPG or console AI computer never transmitted tank pressure as an electrical signal by wire, it was always transmitted by an HP hose.

The correct term is hoseless, in this context. Yes, you are using a radio that is ALSO used in wireless gadgets to replace wires. But in this case, the radio is replacing the hose.

Just imagine if the Suunto Vyper Air was invented before the cordless phone. Would you think that it was correct to refer to one of those phones as "hoseless"? It's the same thing...

MUCH more interesting discussion than the previous one!

Respectfully disagree. We are not referring to the history of the term in this context but rather to the technology used today. That technology is wireless. No question about it. The definition of wireless is using radio or microwaves to transmit signals. You are making an argument based on questionable semantics. The etymology of a word very often plays no role in current usage. To wit, the word alcohol is derived from a very fine powder of antimony used as eye makeup. Are you suggesting that alcoholism is an addiction to Estee Lauder? Or that when we use the word "assassin", we should refer to someone who is a pothead? (Yes, look it up). My favorite is an "avocado" - originally used to describe a testicle. Agreed that this device is hoseless - almost always anyway - a previous poster described how he uses a short hose from his 1st stage connected to the wireless transmitter strapped to his chest. How woud you describe that? Hosed and wireless?

Oh yes, this is MUCH more interesting...!

 

[doctormike]

The correct term is wireless. The connection is electrical, not mechanical. The data is transmitted via an electrical signal, and the devices could easily be converted to a wire connection. They could not be converted to a HP hose connection. That the devices did not exist first in a wired arrangement is irrelevant.

Their direct analogs and related equipment in land based applications, like pressure measuring gauges in construction or manufacturing equipment and automotive applications, are hard wired for reasons of reliability. That these diving A/I computers were never wired reflects only the environment in which they were designed to function. They are electrical equipment utilizing wireless radio waves instead of direct wire connections. These devices have absolutely no design similarity or developmental connection with pressure hose equipment.

The correct term is hoseless, because what is being replaced is a hose. NOT a wire.

Any term that ends in -less means that the thing that comes before it was eliminated. So a wireless mic is wireless because you are replacing a wire (the cable) with a transmitter and receiver. A cordless phone is cordless because you are replacing the handset cord with a transmitter and receiver. A horseless carriage is horseless because you are replacing a horse with an engine.

Pressure data is transmitted to an SPG or to a console AI computer by a hose, not a wire. The data is not electrical data, it is pressure data, specifically the gas pressure in the HP port of the first stage, which is transmitted to the SPG or the console AI via a HP hose. If you are not sure about this, you can cut an old HP hose in half and you will not find a wire in it.

There is no wire connection in any pressure measuring device between the gas source and the pressure measuring sensor.

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You are making an argument based on questionable semantics.

Well, duh!

But seriously, see my response to agilis. I don't think that my etymology is quite as distant as your example. I do agree, that the vast majority of people use the term wireless (incorrectly) to refer to this transmitter-receiver link. This is because the term "wireless" is in the process of evolving from a specific definition to a more general one, meaning any sort of transmitter-receiver link.

Oh yes, this is MUCH more interesting...!

Totally agree!

 

[LowVizWiz]

Why do we drive on a Parkway and park on a Driveway?

The answer... I'm glad it's slow at work and cold in the rest of the country!

 

[Divenomad]

Not a physicist, so the semantics to me are unclear as to what constitutes a "radio" signal, but Bob Hollis' patent which runs all current AUP computers (Oceanic, Aeris and Hollis) are transmitted via a magnetic field, not an electrical transmission (of course, magnetic filed requires electric current) It's not a "radio signal" as most people think of it.

Still wireless, still hoseless, but it's a magnetic field, not a "radio wave"

Maybe someone more versed in the technicalities of magnetic fields and radio waves can provide further information (Physicists! Lightsabers up!). Please see Bob's patent here:

DIVE COMPUTER WITH FREE DIVE MODE AND WIRELESS DATA TRANSMISSION - Patent application

 

[tridacna]

Dang. This thread has become so much more interesting. Now we are to being led to believe that Hollis may solve GUT. This is fantastic! I want one of "those" computers!

Hint to Divenomad: Radio Waves are a type of electromagnetic radiation.

 

[Divenomad]

Like I said, not a specialist or a physicist, and I have no idea what "solve GUT" means, but this is how AUP transmitters work. They've been doing it for years. I'm just not sure if a magnetic field constitutes a radio wave. It might, which is why I invited someone more knowledgeable than I to clarify.

I am aware that radio waves are a type of electromagnetic radiation. It is my understanding that within the tech support dept over there, that it is not described as a radio wave as people understand it.

If you want one of "those" computers, any hoseless air integrated dive computer manufactured by AUP will do. I'm not sure what you mean by "Those" but I assume you mean it "solves GUT". Can you elaborate?