Info Is DAN Insurance worthwhile?

[JoeTPhilly]

Different experiences should also be examined in determining the "worthlessness" of an entity.

I don't know the victim, so I am free of any emotional ties to this situation. I have not known anyone to have been abandoned by DAN, including myself, so I have to ask why? Could they have made a mistake? Sure. Were they given conflicting diagnoses/symptoms by the victim? That's also a distinct possibility. After all, they were in denial for over 24 hours. I imagine that their descriptions of the problem were all over the place. Not that I was privy to those discussions. It only makes sense that as their assessment of their own situation evolved, that their description of symptoms did too.

People who think they know more than doctors are often their own worst enemy. They often self-diagnose, and rather than present their symptoms, they insist on their own diagnosis and are often incensed that medical personnel can't follow their logic. Add indignation (Do you know who I am???) and frustration, and quite often they end up delaying care, rather than accelerating it. Mind you, getting all perturbated about a situation will probably enhance any pain you're already having, so calm your butt down. Medical personnel want what's best for you, which means they want to make an accurate diagnosis. It's hard to do with the patient making demands and/or insulting statements about their competence rather than relating symptoms. Is this what happened? I don't know. I wasn't there. But I do know, that I never once tried to tell my doctors how to be a doctor, nor DAN how to be DAN, and I got immediate care.

As for the flight delay. It's easier to get local things happening, if you're local. Expecting an entity, many thousands of miles away, to know who can do what locally, is a bit ridiculous. It's not about the 'resources' available, but the proximity you are to less obvious resources.

My advice? If you ever find yourself hurt in a foreign country, hopefully you have full DAN insurance. Then do the following...

Seek aid sooner, rather than later.​

Turn your dive buddy into your advocate!​

You're in pain and they'll get less frustratred!​

Let the doctors do their jobs!​

Give them symptoms rather than diagnoses​

Don't think yourself more important than the next guy​

Keep as calm as possible​

Don't whine or complain until after it's all over​

Know that the doctors want what's best for you!​

Trust in the process!​

Different experiences should also be examined in determining the "worthlessness" of an entity.

I don't know the victim, so I am free of any emotional ties to this situation. I have not known anyone to have been abandoned by DAN, including myself, so I have to ask why? Could they have made a mistake? Sure. Were they given conflicting diagnoses/symptoms by the victim? That's also a distinct possibility. After all, they were in denial for over 24 hours. I imagine that their descriptions of the problem were all over the place. Not that I was privy to those discussions. It only makes sense that as their assessment of their own situation evolved, that their description of symptoms did too.

People who think they know more than doctors are often their own worst enemy. They often self-diagnose, and rather than present their symptoms, they insist on their own diagnosis and are often incensed that medical personnel can't follow their logic. Add indignation (Do you know who I am???) and frustration, and quite often they end up delaying care, rather than accelerating it. Mind you, getting all perturbated about a situation will probably enhance any pain you're already having, so calm your butt down. Medical personnel want what's best for you, which means they want to make an accurate diagnosis. It's hard to do with the patient making demands and/or insulting statements about their competence rather than relating symptoms. Is this what happened? I don't know. I wasn't there. But I do know, that I never once tried to tell my doctors how to be a doctor, nor DAN how to be DAN, and I got immediate care.

As for the flight delay. It's easier to get local things happening, if you're local. Expecting an entity, many thousands of miles away, to know who can do what locally, is a bit ridiculous. It's not about the 'resources' available, but the proximity you are to less obvious resources.

My advice? If you ever find yourself hurt in a foreign country, hopefully you have full DAN insurance. Then do the following...

Seek aid sooner, rather than later.​

Turn your dive buddy into your advocate!​

You're in pain and they'll get less frustratred!​

Let the doctors do their jobs!​

Give them symptoms rather than diagnoses​

Don't think yourself more important than the next guy​

Keep as calm as possible​

Don't whine or complain until after it's all over​

Know that the doctors want what's best for you!​

Trust in the process!​

I agree that dfferent experiences should also be examined in determining the "worthlessness" of an entity. However, I want to make some points. They weren't in denial for 24 hours. They got him to the hospital around dinner time. Sure, sooner would have been optimal but people tend to disregard their own signs and wait. Sad, but true. Also true, maybe Brian and Gus should have said Dude you're going to the hospital at first sign. However, all that stuff is irrelevant to the DAN issue. He was diagnosed with Level 2 DCS by the doctor and did the right thing and called DAN. Remember their slogan "Help Is Just a Phone Call Away". The issue is the action or inaction of DAN. It sure has been an eye opener to me.

 

[Marie13]

I've got a couple comments up on 2 of their recent videos admonishing their BS for saying DAN did not do their best. We'll see how long they last.

I finally forced myself to watch the video yesterday (mentioned in other thread). Seems like the FB comments are moderated more than YT, or at least that’s how it appears to me.

 

[The Chairman]

Then when I came to a few days later, tried to get me to fill out the forms by hand when I could barely move.

Again, turn your dive buddy or travel companion into your advocate. My buddy Dan handled all the insurance and hospital crap while I was on narcotics to ease the pain. It was during a ScubaBoard invasion, so others packed all my belongings together and got them all squared away for me. Traveling in a group is simply awesome. I actually opted to convalesce for a few days at our second resort, before heading home. Glad I did.

The issue is the action or inaction of DAN.

The issue seems to be expecting DAN to have local knowledge of who can do what. Locals can put that stuff together far quicker than those a few thousand miles away.

 

[lostsheep]

We’ve heard one side of a story from YOUTUBERS. Trusting YouTube is worse than trusting Wikipedia.

They are in the entertainment business and it certainly seems like this video benefits those interests.

 

[Boarderguy]

They can't look bad in front of their loyal followers

Denial, denial, denial. They're clowns

 

[JoeTPhilly]

The issue seems to be expecting DAN to have local knowledge of who can do what. Locals can put that stuff together far quicker than those a few thousand miles away.

I guess the lowering of one's expectations of what DAN can do is an outcome of this thread/case. Essentially, a diver is on their own and better have the resources to get care on their own; because, unfortunately, help is really not a phone call away.

 

[The Chairman]

I guess the lowering of one's expectations of what DAN can do is an outcome of this thread/case. Essentially, a diver is on their own and better have the resources to get care on their own; because, unfortunately, help is really not a phone call away.

That's a lie. The help was coming, just not at the speed they demanded.

 

[JoeTPhilly]

Ok, I see you guys disagree. So what would you all have done? Wait the 24 hours?

 

[Boarderguy]

Ok, I see you guys disagree. So what would you all have done? Wait the 24 hours?

Call DAN immediately. They didn't. Had they called around 1700 instead of 2030 them he probably could have gotten a flight right away. Their delay delayed everything.

 

[Joneill]

I agree that dfferent experiences should also be examined in determining the "worthlessness" of an entity. However, I want to make some points. They weren't in denial for 24 hours. They got him to the hospital around dinner time. Sure, sooner would have been optimal but people tend to disregard their own signs and wait. Sad, but true. Also true, maybe Brian and Gus should have said Dude you're going to the hospital at first sign. However, all that stuff is irrelevant to the DAN issue. He was diagnosed with Level 2 DCS by the doctor and did the right thing and called DAN. Remember their slogan "Help Is Just a Phone Call Away". The issue is the action or inaction of DAN. It sure has been an eye opener to me.

You should really make that “alleged inaction of DAN” at this point as you’ve only heard 1 side of the story - but some sadly want to rush to judgement without all of the facts…