Greatest technological advancement ever!

[uncleavi]

C'mon up to Palm Beach and you are more than welcome to try mine free of charge.

 

[Bob Evans]

Dear DennisS, when I look at each warranty card that comes into my Company, 85 % say they heard about us through a friend. Come to my office and you can see You can think what you want about Shilling, I've seen more than my share on Scubaboard when it comes to fins. I know my customers and they want to tell the world about Force Fins. I want to tell the world about my American Made Fins.

 

[sibermike7]

Sorry, I did not know force fin owners were as fanatical as they say other groups of divers are, guess I was wrong.

Well, since the root of fanatical is "fan" I don't understand why you think otherwise! I checked out your profile and saw that you were in a DIR group and that helps me get a better understanding about why you were so upset at my last post. My comments about DIR/GUE were not meant to be anything other than a comparison. I still stand behind what I said. If you went to their forum and started being critical, they would be ALL over you. (and rightly so, it is their forum!!! I doubt if they would treat your comments with the grace that has been manifested here. Some may, no doubt, but others are known for nasty!

You wrote:

I simply tried to ask some unbiased questions. Sorry if my open-mindedness offended you.

I don't know how in the world my post would make you would ever think I was offended! I re-read it, and still can't figure it out! Maybe being in the AirForce has something to do with it since they are so focused on being "politically correct' and all. (Observation, not disparaging comment!) If you don't believe me, try focusing someone's attention to a "flip-chart," or correcting a typo with "White-out," etc. (forbidden terms) You'll understand what I mean. I deal with military on a day-to-day basis and can't believe how "focused" they are on political correctness! If anyone got offended it appears it was you.

BTW, it appears that you are neither open-minded or un-biased. Give me a break! At least be honest! I am NOT un-biased, however, I am honest enough to admit it! Everyone has bias. How can you be un-biased if you have already formed an opinion??

I never said they were crap, bad, or anything else. I also, unlike yourelf, wasn't a jerk.

Wow, now that's mature! Name-calling!! Too funny! Where in my post was I being a jerk? Do you not know after 4 years of SB what a smilie is for? Did you notice any of these in my post?

I asked some honest questions. I never said or insinuated that they didn't have the answers. I simply asked some questions and made some observations based on my experience. If you don't feel compelled to actually join the concept of the scubaboard forum by helping to share knowledge and pass on what you know or learn, then feel free to continue on as you are and get lost.

Did you read this? You should! AND YOU SHOULD HEED IT TOO!!!

What a minute! I get it! You're a TROLL! Am I right?

As for somebody's form being poor. Well, that was an observation based on my experience. If you are sooooo fond of the fins and think that it is great that they "bandaid" a problem (which they do, whether you like it or not, if they help them do better with improper form) with some divers, which they do if their air consumption jumps that incredibly, then use my observation to show how truly good the product is instead of blanketly jumping on me. If they greatly improve somebody's air consumption, that has improper finning technique, then I would be very curious if this dramatic change would either be less dramatic or even more dramatic once they learn proper finning technique and move from regular fins to these fins.

Huh? Sorry, you lost me a little there.

What are you "observing" here? Correcting a problem is not "putting a band-aid" on it. That would be "masking the symptom, like changing to a larger size wing to compensate for over-weighting.

ForceFins are great at correcting bad form. If you read more posts on SB concerning ForceFins you would read how often initial users of ForceFins don't like them until they correct their form because if your form isn't right, then they will not work correctly.

 

[sibermike7]

As far as frog-kicking, I believe somebody said you couldn't (might have implied). I asked how many tech divers would be willing to buy a fin if they can't perform these kicks with them. If you can frog-kick efficiently with them as well as back-kicking then great, then that answers/corrects one of my questions.

Well, it appears that you were absolutely correct, though it hadn't been stated. Blair did mention later that they would "not" be able to frog kick with those particular fins because they were not designed for that purpose.

The problem with that is that friends and loyal customer that have had good experiences don't always want to tell their "friends" the truth,

Now that's funny! What?! That they like them???

or don't always ask all the questions needed.

True. I'm with you there.

I would think the questions that somebody needs most are those from people just like me. I have a broad experience base and have tried several fins, I also have no previous experience with these fins to sugarcoat my opinion one way or the other. I am just truly interested in a new product and also wish to help by offering some of my observations and asking some questions.

Ask away! But don't whine if someone gives you an answer that you don't like! And don't call someone a "jerk" for politely disagreeing with you! Listen RJ, I was not trying to be anything but polite, you HAVE GOT TO PAY ATTENTION to not only WHAT is written, but HOW. If it is accompanied by one of these then the writer is in jest.

As a primarly tech diver...jets are the best for snorkeling (very negative and not great for longer sessions of flutter kicking).

That is where I would say my ForceFins are at their worst.

ForceFins are without a doubt the most durable though.

 

[rockjock3]

Ask away! But don't whine if someone gives you an answer that you don't like! And don't call someone a "jerk" for politely disagreeing with you! Listen RJ, I was not trying to be anything but polite, you HAVE GOT TO PAY ATTENTION to not only WHAT is written, but HOW. If it is accompanied by one of these then the writer is in jest.


That is where I would say my ForceFins are at their worst.

ForceFins are without a doubt the most durable though.

I took offense because there are few in every group that are fanatical and I am not one of them, but you did appear to be what you were preaching against. I will be one of the first to smack around a DIR/GUE in that forum as well if they are starting to seizure DIR/GUE. If that is not you then I am sorry I misunderstood.

Are you saying they are at their worst snorkeling?

 

[csicnomore]

When I read what Bob wrote, I didn't take it the way you did. I can't afford that either, but I'm saving for the Military SD1 at almost 500. I have a set of PRO's and Adjustables. They are tough, comfortable. I'm a disabled Veteran and just turned 50, with my aches and pains, I'll probably soon be willing to pay $1000 for less pain and a smooth pushing fin. I've seen some Regulator and Dry Suit prices that made me gulp! Hope you stay and get to know Bob and his fins.
Happy Diving, Joel

 

[sibermike7]

I took offense because there are few in every group that are fanatical and I am not one of them, but you did appear to be what you were preaching against. I will be one of the first to smack around a DIR/GUE in that forum as well if they are starting to seizure DIR/GUE. If that is not you then I am sorry I misunderstood.

Sorry to offend you, I really am. I really wasn't trying to come down on you. Preaching? Well, what can I say, you got me! I am that!

Are you saying they are at their worst snorkeling?

For me yes! I am getting better and better with them. I have learned that if I relax and just forget about them I do better. In comparison though, for me they work better underwater. Bob sells a set (never tried them myself) that are specifically designed for snorkeling.

ForceFins are not just one set of fins, but a whole lot of radically different fins. As far as price, well for comparison, I drive a minivan. It costs about $40,000 new (which I think is CRAZY). Well, I don't need the new car smell, so I'm willing to buy used for a greatly reduced cost. Same with ForceFins. I bought my 1st set off eBay for $85. Now they don't fit my drysuit, so I haven't been able to use them for a long time, but my 17 year-old son loves them for snorkeling . How does he do it??? Not sure. So, probably it's me and my bad technique. They won't fix my bad technique for me!

 

[sibermike7]

When I read what Bob wrote, I didn't take it the way you did. I can't afford that either, but I'm saving for the Military SD1 at almost 500. I have a set of PRO's and Adjustables. They are tough, comfortable. I'm a disabled Veteran and just turned 50, with my aches and pains, I'll probably soon be willing to pay $1000 for less pain and a smooth pushing fin. I've seen some Regulator and Dry Suit prices that made me gulp! Hope you stay and get to know Bob and his fins.
Happy Diving, Joel

If anything makes me a ForceFin fan it is:
1.) They work for me.
2.) I have AWFUL knees and they keep me pain-free!!
3.) The company (the people and their attitudes, the product quality, USA made, etc) and customer service.

I get laughed at all the time. (First time I pulled them out here in Estonia a guy yelled, "Look! Donald Duck!") I don't like "defending" my choices in dive gear and would not, if I didn't feel the gear was worth defending!

 

[uncleavi]

Welcome to the bad knee club! Talk about a club I wish I didn't belong to. I am a Vet as well.
I was fortunate to get to spend a week with Bob on a boat in Belize and talk about fins all day long. Good stuff all around!

 

[sibermike7]

Welcome to the bad knee club! Talk about a club I wish I didn't belong to. I am a Vet as well.

Got THAT right!! My left was shattered when a large horse I was on reared up and completely over. I didn't get away fast enough and he kicked me on the knee with his rear leg as he was struggling to get up.

My right got ripped apart in Siberia. So I am kind of partial to anything that lets me dive!!

I was fortunate to get to spend a week with Bob on a boat in Belize and talk about fins all day long. Good stuff all around!

In Belize diving all day? :depressed: I was probably working that day!