ericfine50
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Mike,
Doria trip a few years back? Cincy Dive Center?
ERic
Doria trip a few years back? Cincy Dive Center?
ERic
Gilboa Again!!?
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detroit diver
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There's a significant difference going from 45 deg F to 41 Deg F. And 38 or 39 degrees are a different world.
If you haven't actually dove this cold, 1 or 2 degrees at this level feel like night and day. I only mention this because there are so many on this board with no real cold water experience.
The equipment can make a HUGE difference at these temps. It's obvious from the last couple of weeks that this may have precipitated some of the issues we have seen.
That does not in any way absolve those who do not have the proper training to handle these issues. A freeflow should NOT result in a death. Period.
If you haven't actually dove this cold, 1 or 2 degrees at this level feel like night and day. I only mention this because there are so many on this board with no real cold water experience.
The equipment can make a HUGE difference at these temps. It's obvious from the last couple of weeks that this may have precipitated some of the issues we have seen.
That does not in any way absolve those who do not have the proper training to handle these issues. A freeflow should NOT result in a death. Period.
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Now Mike, normally I read your posts with great humility and interest. But I do have to call you on this statement.
Other than my Intro to Scuba course that I took that first sparked my interest in scuba, I was never taught, nor did I ever expect to always have "supervison" on a dive. And no one I know or have ever dove with expects to have "supervision" on a dive.
Aside from that generalization, I do agree that anyone who figures that the same equipment and dive methods work eqaully well everywhere are at best damn uncomfortable during their dive and at worst candidates for culling the gene pool.
Marc
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That's the one.
chrpai
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I've only ever met 1 diver who wanted supervision on a dive. And by the end of the cruise the crew was pretty tired of her.
ericfine50
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Mike,
I guess they have the hole named after him for two reasons?
Eric
I guess they have the hole named after him for two reasons?
Eric
pdoege
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How much time do you have?
I've never had a free flow while deep. I did have one at around 40' that I fixed via the "whack-it" technique.
I did have the DIN O-Ring blow at about 110' whilst separated from group. I made a regular ascent and got to the surface with a lot of air.
Anyway, how much time would you have? I am not really familiar with smallish tanks and have no experience with water at less than 56 degrees.
Peter
I've never had a free flow while deep. I did have one at around 40' that I fixed via the "whack-it" technique.
I did have the DIN O-Ring blow at about 110' whilst separated from group. I made a regular ascent and got to the surface with a lot of air.
Anyway, how much time would you have? I am not really familiar with smallish tanks and have no experience with water at less than 56 degrees.
Peter
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That depends on what you started with!
In any case, if you are practicing good buddy skills, you've got all the appropriate time to ascend carefully with all of the stops needed. You just use his/her reg.
In any case, if you are practicing good buddy skills, you've got all the appropriate time to ascend carefully with all of the stops needed. You just use his/her reg.
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What kind of gas management were you tought in your recreational classes?
What were the performance requirements related to demonstrating buddy diving skills and situational awareness?
On your last OW training dive did you follow the instructor/DM or did they follow you? Who did the planning for the dive?
I could go on. Certainly some instructors teach diving and some students are lucky enough to find them but I don't think it's the norm.
IMO, if most divers weren't diving preplanned and canned resort dives we would have a real mess.
DivePartner1
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I had a buddy who encountered a free flow in Millbrook in May. I offered my octopus, he choose his instead, did a safe ascent and got it to stop of the surface. We went down again, although shallower and warmer, and finished a pleasant dive. I've also encountered free flows in chilly quarries. They should not be near life-threatening events.
Mike is right. It's a matter of training and comfort in the water. It's not the quarries fault any more than it is the planet's for making the water cold.
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