General Vortex Incident Discussion

[Jax]

A Command can also become involved in searches if requested by local investigating authorities as a token of goodwill. Furthermore in this case, it had been reported that the FBI has been involved although their level of participation is unknown. The FBI can certainly approach the Navy for assistance, which has possibly already been done.

Uhhh . . . yu red it on the interweb so's it must be true . . . :doh:

ONE person said "I heard the FBI is involved . . . "

 

[ianr33]

Have some questions I don't think have come up in the previous 10 million or so posts!

Can someone confirm he was diving air? What was in the "deco" tanks. Was it 50% and 100% or was it more air?

If he was attempting this dive just on air then the deco would rapidly get huge. What would be the run time to EOL without accelerated deco?

 

[ScubaGypsy]

Anyone else think spending thousands and thousands of taxpayer dollars for this idea is stupid??

Hmmm, what do you think the costs will be if someone dies doing a search? Is there no value to the taxpayers to determine if there is a decomposing body in the cave? How much is the unknown costing the investigation, much less Vortex?

Uhhh . . . yu red it on the interweb so's it must be true . . . :doh:

ONE person said "I heard the FBI is involved . . . "

Does your Army Command not get involved in off-base issues when their technical assistance is requested by local authorities? This is common with the Navy.

 

[Docc]

If he was attempting this dive just on air then the deco would rapidly get huge.

If the young man is tragically stuck in the cave still.....and his newly purchased VR3 batteries are holding out.......his deco time built up shown on his computer in a month's time underwater must be up to YEARS by now.

 

[vshearer]

Anyone else think spending thousands and thousands of taxpayer dollars for this idea is stupid??

When has that ever stopped them?

EDIT: Asked before, but for someone familar with the area. Are there any nearby (like in walking, floating distance) sinks or holes, sidemount or otherwise, that he might have gone into?

 

[rjack321]

Hmmm, what do you think the costs will be if someone dies doing a search? Is there no value to the taxpayers to determine if there is a decomposing body in the cave? How much is the unknown costing the investigation, much less Vortex?

Nobody is going to die searching because nobody is willing to risk themselves continuing to search anymore. Unless you envoke the mythical unqualified friend trying to find him.

There is no value to the taxpayers if there is or isn't a body in the cave. There are unknown bodies decomposing all over the country right now.

Whether he is buired in the cave or not will never be resolved unless he's found elsewhere. All the high tech equipement and neverending searches can't prove the absence of a body in there.

It would be more efficient and cost effective to search outside the cave and I hope local authorities aren't letting land trails go cold with futile efforts looking in underground silt piles.

 

[ucfdiver]

When has that ever stopped them?

EDIT: Asked before, but for someone familar with the area. Are there any nearby (like in walking, floating distance) sinks or holes, sidemount or otherwise, that he might have gone into?

Any sinks that aren't publicly available on the internet are kept between friends, so if you don't know about them chances are he didn't either.

 

[Kevin Carlisle]

Hmmm, what do you think the costs will be if someone dies doing a search? Is there no value to the taxpayers to determine if there is a decomposing body in the cave? How much is the unknown costing the investigation, much less Vortex?



Does your Army Command not get involved in off-base issues when their technical assistance is requested by local authorities? This is common with the Navy.

The people needed to do the search have already done so. Go back and read. Water samples were taken so people need to be patient and let the law do their jobs. After they finish investigating all other possibilities and others want to chase a ghost I don't care. We can actually go get their bodies when that happens. There is no evidence that has been found to say he is in the water. Yes in original thread divers said they saw signs where a diver had been. Since then another went past there and then went as far as someone could go and there was no signs anyone had been that far in years. So yes suggesting anyone go back is stupid, especially getting the government involved. And from what I have been told the crowds are still diving vortex. Its not hurting them at all from what I was told.

 

[rjack321]

There is no evidence that has been found to say he is in the water.

Wasn't there a cadaver dog alert?

 

[Hetland]

It would be more efficient and cost effective to search outside the cave and I hope local authorities aren't letting land trails go cold with futile efforts looking in underground silt piles.

Actually, don't waste any resources. Let him run out of money and come home on his own, or let the insurance company (assuming he had any) do it on their dime. The local cops (with the help of local experts) have done everything reasonable to locate the guy.

Personally, I'm on the fence. I wouldn't be surprised if he's buried in there somewhere, and I wouldn't be surprised if he's in Mexico. With the little info that's publicly available, it could go either way.