General Vortex Incident Discussion

[SuPrBuGmAn]

Matt, I didn't say SM kills, I said it is often involved. Just like solo doesn't kill outright, its just involved. I'm merely correlating, here. Deep air, otoh, I believe kills, as do rebreathers. People can dive how they want, and will continue to do so. My point is that we will continue to have fatalities when there shouldn't be.

Good God dude... know how many deaths BM has involved? I mean damn, people die on BM, regularly... almost as much as rebreathers(more if you look back at all the years).

 

[ianr33]

Sheck himself died breaking his own rules.

Which rule?

Presume you mean #3 Too Deep ? (Blueprint for Survival,page 13)

"The maximum safe depth for cave diving is 130 ft"

Guess the WKPP break that rule on every dive..............................

 

[ianr33]

Good God dude... know how many deaths BM has involved? I mean damn, people die on BM, regularly... almost as much as rebreathers(more if you look back at all the years).

Drysuits.

How many dead cave divers were wearing drysuits? Suspect many of them may never even have had formal drysuit training. Drysuits kill!

 

[ucfdiver]

Which rule?

Presume you mean #3 Too Deep ? (Blueprint for Survival,page 13)

"The maximum safe depth for cave diving is 130 ft"

Guess the WKPP break that rule on every dive..............................

That book was written before recreational use of He was common. Cute, but off base.

It also didn't include #6, solo diving, which is the most commonly broken rule today.

 

[diverdoug1]

Does anyone know if the statement made by PfcAJ is true regarding only one diver fatality among those diving in compliance with DIR (foregoing the discussion of the various flavors of DIR)? I find this statement to be almost unbelievable.

 

[ucfdiver]

Does anyone know if the statement made by PfcAJ is true regarding only one diver fatality among those diving in compliance with DIR (foregoing the discussion of the various flavors of DIR)? I find this statement to be almost unbelievable.

I don't believe it was true. Parker Turner was *not* diving modern day DIR. To my knowledge, no one has died under today's DIR.

 

[Meister481]

The Magnus is about 40 lbs lighter...and much faster...

Magnus envy is a real problem among cave divers.

Lots of reason seem to be getting tossed around, the main one still remains- Lack of proper training. SM, BM, solo, deep air, etc is an afterthought. He had no business in the environment and that's the end of the story. The same thing would have happened if he were in a poodle jacket with split fins and a spare air stage.

His brain wrote a check his butt couldn't cash.

 

[lamont]

I don't believe it was true. Parker Turner was *not* diving modern day DIR. To my knowledge, no one has died under today's DIR.

There was an ice diving embolism up north, I believe.

 

[PfcAJ]

Thats the one I'm thinking of, Lamont. There might be others, but I have not heard of them.

 

[diverdoug1]

This reminds me of when Nitrox was starting to be used by recreational OW divers. Nitrox was considered to be "voodoo gas" that should only be used by "those tech diver types". With training, there are many additions to the "basic" OW gear setup that can be safely used by the recreational OW diver. I think it is a skewed analysis to say that because some type of gear is worn by a number of dive fatality victims, that said gear is inherently too dangerous for those divers to use. Every recreational diver I have treated for DCS was wearing some type of scuba mask, should I infer that they present a risk? This type of analysis would ultimately lead to the conclusion that since all dive fatalities were by definition a result of diving, that diving is inherently unacceptably unsafe.