Some instructors would teach 15 yr. old kids cave diving.
But would they teach him the Adv Nitrox, Deco Procedures, Normoxic Trimix, and Hypoxic Trimix classes he would need to accompany those cave classes in order to safely dive the Eagle's Nest?
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Some instructors would teach 15 yr. old kids cave diving.
That's not what I said.
People who are reading this and seeing that people with proper training are saying they were diving beyond their training without having any idea what that means. In the beginning of this thread there were posts by someone who frequently posts in cave diving discussions, arguing that the training is not needed. Those posts were deleted by the moderating staff. The two deceased divers obviously did not think it was necessary.
In contrast, people who do have that training know more than the "don't dive beyond your training" mantra. They know what specific things were done that no properly trained diver would do. They know what would have been different if they had had the training they lacked.
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Do you have a source for this? All the other information I have encountered said he had open water certification. Of course, in the loosest sense of the term, Master Scuba Diver is an open water certification, so it may not have been meant literally.
But would they teach him the Adv Nitrox, Deco Procedures, Normoxic Trimix, and Hypoxic Trimix classes he would need to accompany those cave classes in order to safely dive the Eagle's Nest?
Why are any of those classes required to safely dive the ballroom at EN?
I didn't do it. I believe the reason was that it led to a back and forth sniping that was clearly off topic and not deemed to be appropriate to this thread. The A&I forum has special rules to keep things on topic.Why were those posts deleted? What was the TOS violation?
Yep, and the inability for someone who does not have that training to tell the difference between what can be accessed without training and what requires training is the problem.Certain skills, knowledge, and abilities are required to safely conduct many activities, including diving. These are usually provided by some type of training, including self study and "OJT". While some access to certain aspects of scuba often require certification, many other aspects of scuba may be accessed without certification.
The two were diving outside of the ballroom, both on this dive and on previous dives.Why are any of those classes required to safely dive the ballroom at EN?
But would they teach him the Adv Nitrox, Deco Procedures, Normoxic Trimix, and Hypoxic Trimix classes he would need to accompany those cave classes in order to safely dive the Eagle's Nest?
Reports have their max depth at 233'. That sounds like 15/55 to me.
It is my impression that there are no certification requirements established by any authority for diving EN.
So, a diver only needs those additional classes to safely dive some of the EN features that lie beyond the Ballroom. I think recommended safety precautions might get more attention if they were presented in a more objective manner.
Here is some fresh irony for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVhE9Zorxa8
Look at the second comment from Lavion45
"You are clearly not trained for this. You're not suppose to use your hands, your legs is what does the work. You will over exert yourself. You give us divers bad rep by doing that."
Lavion45 is Dillon Sanchez
You can click through to his name and watch the homemade tattoo gun video. Towards the end of the video there is a clear shot of his doubles and the 130 marked deco bottle his dad is holding in that photo.
Apparently he knew you were supposed to be trained,but I guess he thought his dad "trained" him.