Criminally negligent homicide?/Scuba Instructor Faces Charges (merged threads)

[Hoomi]

*scary thought*

University of Phoenix Scuba Diving Program

This team will research and present regulator retrieval, this team will cover mask clearning, this team will cover BCD usage...

(Sorry... too many UoP wonders at work that we constantly have to clean up after, because they got their degrees by proxy)

 

[alykitcat]

Stress is a the root of more dive acidents than any other single factor.

Funny...My Rescue Diver book says Poor judgement is.

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

In over 40 years of teaching diving it has never been necessary to consider it. The most I've ever had to do was brush the student's lips with my glove to remind them to blow bubbles.

We should all be so fortunate.

I've only ever had one incident of full-blown student panic to deal with ... and it went pretty much as String described. The fellow had shown no prior indication that he was prone to panic. Did all his pool work satisfactorily. Got him out in the (cold) open water and asked him to do a partial mask flood and clear. Next millisecond he was maskless, reg was out of his mouth, and he was propelling for the surface. Fortunately I managed to hook a D-ring and hold onto him, because there were no bubbles coming out his mouth. I don't think brushing his lips would've accomplished much ... if he'd have even noticed as he was attempting to undress me in his desire to make me turn him loose. I finally gave him a three-finger chop in the solar plexus and as soon as I saw bubbles we bolted together. Forget about 30-feet per minute ... I wanted his arse on the SURFACE before he decided to inhale. On the way up, he managed to relieve me of my mask and reg, but as soon as I got him buoyant he suddenly went completely limp, took a deep breath, looked at me and as calm as you please said "I can't believe I just did that".

Turned out the guy had a strong aversion to cold water up his nose ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[DPayne]

This comes from the old school, it's called ditch-and-don, it has been taught to the earliest frogmen divers. If in the event you need to swim to the beach (for whatever reasons) you must properly ditch the equipment, then swim back down and properly don (put on) the equipment in a safe and proper manner. The new kids are not being taught many of the old styles of the Art of Scuba Diving. Study the "old" ways to more understand the whys of diving.

 

[bfw]

*scary thought*
University of Phoenix Scuba Diving Program

Too late - it's called PADI e-learning.

 

[bfw]

Please, you can keep your anti-intellectualism.

I don't think he's being anti-intellectualism, and if he is, you could just as easily be accused of ivory tower snobbery. He's simply acknowledging what's happened to post secondary education in America in the last couple decades. The founders of most Ivy League schools are probably doing about 20,000 rpm right now.

 

[Thalassamania]

Never been to an ivy-league or private school in my life, strictly the product of public education.

 

[Hoomi]

Too late - it's called PADI e-learning.

From what I've heard from UoP students, even e-learning is better than the UoP model. At least in e-learning, the individual student is expected to view all the material for themselves.

I've had friends getting degrees at the University of Phoenix, and they were disgusted that they were doing the work on the team, and the person who was doing nothing would get the same grade and credit they received.

With PADI e-learning, at least if I understand correctly, the student still needs to arrange with a certified instructor to accomplish the practical portions of the training. I don't believe you can get certified without getting into the water with the gear and an instructor.

You can learn from a UoP degree program, but it's not necessary in order to get the sheepskin.

 

[smw]

From what I've heard from UoP students, even e-learning is better than the UoP model. At least in e-learning, the individual student is expected to view all the material for themselves.

I've had friends getting degrees at the University of Phoenix, and they were disgusted that they were doing the work on the team, and the person who was doing nothing would get the same grade and credit they received.

With PADI e-learning, at least if I understand correctly, the student still needs to arrange with a certified instructor to accomplish the practical portions of the training. I don't believe you can get certified without getting into the water with the gear and an instructor.

You can learn from a UoP degree program, but it's not necessary in order to get the sheepskin.

I teach both in class and online (NOT for UoP.) I get both the in class and online students for the second level class and they seem to have about the same skill set. As for "doing the work" as a prof, I can't tell who is doing what work at home. That goes for online stuff and for homework. On the other hand, some people have a good grasp on material and don't test well. Some do great on tests even though they don't know much.

So as usual it comes down to the individual whether s/he is going to learn the material. And it is up to the prof to make the material interesting and relevant to the students.

As far as group work? I allow my groups to fire anyone who isn't contributing. Hmmmm - just like the real world.

SMW

 

[elreymichael]

i just completed an open water class. that seems to go against everything my instructors taught me.