Two innerspaces signing up within 10 minutes, are you both of them?
And why pick Innerspaces name if youre so hot for the CCR2000. I for one was all excited for a moment that Steve or Leon joined the board ...
Somehow I think you ganna take a lot of flak for your post.
innerspace1000 once bubbled...
looking to open discussions....a reputable source informs me that the CCR2000 is soon to be in full production from somewhere in Rhode Island. ISO9000 and mil-spec, with a targetted global marketing launch that will compete heavily with Inspiration, Prism, and Mk16 for their respective markets....any insight out there?
I would have hoped that with your reputable souce and personal experience youd be the one giving insights. Mil-spec is fine for the military, but tends to be rather expensive and in some cases useless for civilians. MK16 list for close to $60K, I sure am not paying for a non-magnetic RB. Ever tried to get Inconnels filled at an average dive store, or travel with them? Technically illegal to cross state lines without DOT, and for just about every airport sreener they look like the coyotes ACME bombs.
ISO9000, fine I guess. But doesnt cover the global market. For Europe CE is needed,
and I doubt the CCR2000 will pass. With welded spherical tanks? Single backmounted counterlung? Yeah, right. So much for global. From what I understand NATO accepted the CE standard, too, so NATO forces are probably also out.
innerspace1000 once bubbled...
Price has come down, and the new unit is very trim.
The last CCR2000 I saw was this summer, the price had come to $9,900. With just one display. I wouldnt dive a CCR with a single display if it went for 99 bucks. Making a convinience optional, like ADVs on Megalodon, Inspiration amd Evolution is one thing,
but the display? Not for me! If the managed to make that rig trim they changed a lot.
innerspace1000 once bubbled...
My homework on this unit leads me to believe that this is the best rig out there hands down..they solved the competitions battery issues, integrated computer issues, parts availability issues...
Is competition plural or did you refer to APD and forget the ?
Prism - one standard, easily available 9V battery in a sealed 1 ata compartment outside the loop, the secondary runs off the O2 cells.
MK16 - same set-up, different battery.
Megalodon - 2 batteries in 2 sealed 1 ata compartments inside the loop.
Inspiration - 2 batteries inside 1 non-sealed compartment in the loop at ambient pressure. The least desirable of the four, but by the time the battery compartment gets flooded the scrubber is, too. The batteries are the least of your worries and you bailout.
Integrated computer issues? What issues youre talking about?
Parts availability? Youre kidding, right? I doubt that the CCR2000 will start out with the dealer (or instructor) infra structure that the Inspiration has. Remeber the removable breathing loop, that you can conviniently take with you on your vacation and rent the rest of the rig? Care to tell us about all the places you have been to and done that?
Then compare that number with places that offer Inspiration training, parts and supplies.
And with the size and weight I last saw you better be able to just take the loop. Wanna travel with your CCR? Take the Prism or the Mini Meg. Maybe the Evo.
innerspace1000 once bubbled...
I think this is the one that will go the distance. 8-hour duration, pressure tested to 2000fsw...already open water tested to 680fsw by some folks on the west coast.
8 hrs. duration tested and certified by whom? NEDU/NAVSEA? DERA? At what depth, temperature and breathing volume? What size scrubber? Or is this a RB80 like distance So-and-so dove it for that-and-that amount of time the other day.
Feel free to submit independent testing data, or have Olympic Submarines (or whoever builds the rig these days) post them.
innerspace1000 once bubbled...
I've been reading alot of the inspiration hype out there.....be careful guys...we're talking about life support systems, not tinker toys.
Exactly what I meant with my answers regarding a single display and dubious scrubber duration. What Inspiration hype?
innerspace1000 once bubbled...
price should not be the deciding factor. likewise, dont depend on a VR3...it runs on 1 O2 sensor system in the loop...what if this craps out?
Price is a factor for most people. It sucks, but few have endless means. If it is not for you, look into the new Infinto, or the legendary Cis-Lunar. Last I saw the CCR2000 didnt have a hydrophobic membrane around the scrubber. Or an integrated OC/DSV. Nor a HUD. Nor ...
When the VR3s cell craps out you switch to ppO2 calculation without a cell and watch your two(!) handsets/3 cells to make sure theyre at the computers setpoint. The Inspiration also gives you the Hammerhead option with dual displays, currently one and soon two integrated trimix deco computers. Thatll be the standard to beat. (Hammerhead batteries are in the handsets, by the way). All that aside, any sane diver, at least extended range diver, carries tables as back-up. Don't you?
innerspace1000 once bubbled...
the CCR2000 computer runs off of all 3 sensors that actually fly the rig(with voting logic naturally).
So does the Hammerhead, and with two independent computers and controllers, plus the patented DIVA. Steam Machines is working on an integrated computer with HDD display of all computer data. The Evolution and later the Inspiration also offer integrated computers. Innerspace Systems Corp. is working on theirs, too. With some luck itll be powered by the Hammerhead, I sure hope so. All of those run off the three sensors in the loop.
innerspace1000 once bubbled...
I think we need to re-address the inspiration hype out there...they've established a reputation, but whats the reality here...
Actually, the Inspirations reputation is less than pefect, so its probably pretty close to reality. No other CCR has such a (good and bad) track record. Hence, the reputation is probably not far from the reality.
innerspace1000 once bubbled...
its not the unit for serious technical diving, or professional diving.
the battery in the loop failed miserably in navy testing recently, adn the US govt wont even take a look at it. Likewise, they got grandfathered in to the CE approval in Europe. My gut tells me they're in for some competition really really soon
If extended range diving is what you consider technical, youre way off base. Have a look at ZeroG reports and profiles. (No CCR2000s on that trip, I wonder why?). Trevor Jacksons wreck trip to 177m a few years ago. Theyre used on wrecks and in caves all the time, probably a lot more than CCR2000s.
Professional diving? Not many RBs used there, thats usually surface supplied diving. I doubt they even teach RB diving in commercial diving schools (I know they dont in Santa Barbara). So well see if the CCR2000 changes all that.
If you have any testing reports and data to share, feel free and do so. Im sure youll find plenty of people here intrested.
Stefan