Backup Regulator Necklace Hose Routing

[eelnoraa]

While not "uncomfortable" and that being subjective, I will say that as a follower of Minimalism I do not need that extra two feet of hose for open water, ocean, recreational diving. Since I do not need it I do not have it. And the extra two feet requires stowing and is more hose to pack and carry in the case and basically just gets in the way all around. I think I will stay with either a 40 inch under the arm or a 60 inch (5 feet) Hog wrapped, both with a 90 or 110 swivel. Now, for penetration, overhead, deco diving buddy support, no doubt that extra two feet could be worth the hassle, but for my normal purpose, it is in the way and simply more clutter. Opinions vary, that is mine. If I do not need it then I do not have it with me.

James

I actually found 7ft is the easiest to stow amongst the common setup: 7ft, 5ft, 40l” ... it is Ling enough to stuff under waist strap snug and secured. Both 5ft and 40” under arm are a lose bow, if using flex hose, they float all over the places, not tidy at all.

 

[Nemrod]

I actually found 7ft is the easiest to stow amongst the common setup: 7ft, 5ft, 40l” ... it is Ling enough to stuff under waist strap snug and secured. Both 5ft and 40” under arm are a lose bow, if using flex hose, they float all over the places, not tidy at all.

A five foot hose does not need to be stowed, only wrapped. A 7 foot hose must be stowed and wrapped. I am not getting into right, wrong, best or better, everyone to their own method, just that is what I find and what I do and why I do it. .

Deep down, you know you want the best:



Those are 22 inch secondary, 60 inch primary and a 20 inch inflator hose. The SPG is a 30 inch going up from a 24 because even wth my prescription mask I cannot see it way down there.

I am probably doing it wrong but doing it wrong before I do it right is a specialty of mine.

James

 

[Wibble]

You’d be better off with the elbow on the backup. An elbow on the primary impedes donation.

 

[Nemrod]

You’d be better off with the elbow on the backup. An elbow on the primary impedes donation.

Not really, I have not found that to be true at all and it definitely improves comfort on the primary. And I am not the only one who uses a swivel there. I am not DIR and I consider it only a minor violation of Hogness . There is no need for a 90/110 swivel on the backup and have you tried putting one on the secondary? That would require going to a yet shorter hose to prevent pushing. Not sure that would work. I do have an Atomic "type" swivel that I have considered using on the primary but the 90/110 allows the regulator to sit centered in my mouth with no pushing. I think I could get away with a 20 inch hose on my secondary, especially with the braided hoses. I may try one there.

The picture was taken with an NA-6400 and a WWL lens at about 8 inches from my face. Wide angle, semi-fisheye lenses like the WWL distort the image and exaggerate distance, it is all much tighter than it appears in the photo and a G250 is a full size second stage but, , they are not that big! The G250 on the necklace looks a lot smaller.

This photo taken with a Canon A570 and Inon WA lens circa 2008 or so in Destin, FLorida. Notice how the stiff rubber hoses and the lack of a swivel push/pull the primary sideways:



And notice the much better dynamic range of the APS-C sensor vs the point and shoot bitsy 1/2.8 sensor.

James

 

[loosenit2]

I actually found 7ft is the easiest to stow amongst the common setup: 7ft, 5ft, 40l” ... it is Ling enough to stuff under waist strap snug and secured. Both 5ft and 40” under arm are a lose bow, if using flex hose, they float all over the places, not tidy at all.

don't disagree. something like this is another alternative; simulates a cannister light for holding hose routing.

Halcyon Mock Canister Stick

Discover Halcyon's Mock Canister Stick, designed to slide onto the harness waist strap. A modern alternative to traditional canisters, made of solid Delrin.

extreme-exposure.com

can be home made with a piece of pvc if you wanted.

 

[Wibble]

Not really, I have not found that to be true at all and it definitely improves comfort on the primary. And I am not the only one who uses a swivel there. I am not DIR and I consider it only a minor violation of Hogness . There is no need for a 90/110 swivel on the backup and have you tried putting one on the secondary? That would require going to a yet shorter hose to prevent pushing. Not sure that would work. I do have an Atomic "type" swivel that I have considered using on the primary but the 90/110 allows the regulator to sit centered in my mouth with no pushing. I think I could get away with a 20 inch hose on my secondary, especially with the braided hoses. I may try one there.

The picture was taken with an NA-6400 and a WWL lens at about 8 inches from my face. Wide angle, semi-fisheye lenses like the WWL distort the image and exaggerate distance, it is all much tighter than it appears in the photo and a G250 is a full size second stage but, , they are not that big! The G250 on the necklace looks a lot smaller.

This photo taken with a Canon A570 and Inon WA lens circa 2008 or so in Destin, FLorida. Notice how the stiff rubber hoses and the lack of a swivel push/pull the primary sideways:



And notice the much better dynamic range of the APS-C sensor vs the point and shoot bitsy 1/2.8 sensor.

James

I see two short hoses. How do you donate to someone else?

 

[BlueTrin]

Wow this doesn’t make sense at all. What if your primary 2nd has issue, you need to use your own octo?

I don’t use this configuration but the hose is long enough so it’s not an issue normally.

Here is a hose retainer from Apeks if you want another choice

APEKS HOSE RETAINER - IN STOCK

The Apeks Hose Retainer is used to retain the long hose when diving in a long hose configuration without the need for a canister light.The hose retainer fits any standard 2" webbing and can be used with both single and double tank configurations.Machined from a single piece of Delrin with a...

4thelement-diving.co.uk

Try to keep the long hose tidy either behind a retainer/battery or tucked because it could get caught on something.

 

[Nemrod]

I see two short hoses. How do you donate to someone else?

What????????? There is a short (22 inch) secondary and a long (60 inch) primary clearly visible in the photo. So, I would donate the one in my mouth, the primary, which is on the 60 inch hose. Not sure what you are talking about really with the two short hose question, maybe you meant somebody else? Possibly when we are determined to find fault where there is none we can become myopic, human nature. I do not have two short hoses in that photograph though it too is distorted by a wide angle lens to a degree.

You are not going to find anything grossly wrong like that in my photos or rigs. They may not be how you do it, probably not how Gue or DIR or whoever else is the latest and best way does it, but I am not any of those things. I am basically Hoagarthian or Minimalist. Where those two cross, I live, where they part, I go to the most minimal configuration for a given dive, Diving My Way. And for example, I would leave the keeper/can light and that two feet of extra hose on the table.

James

 

[Wibble]

What????????? There is a short (22 inch) secondary and a long (60 inch) primary clearly visible in the photo. So, I would donate the one in my mouth, the primary, which is on the 60 inch hose. Not sure what you are talking about really with the two short hose question, maybe you meant somebody else? Possibly when we are determined to find fault where there is none we can become myopic, human nature. I do not have two short hoses in that photograph though it too is distorted by a wide angle lens to a degree.

You are not going to find anything grossly wrong like that in my photos or rigs. They may not be how you do it, probably not how Gue or DIR or whoever else is the latest and best way does it, but I am not any of those things. I am basically Hoagarthian or Minimalist. Where those two cross, I live, where they part, I go to the most minimal configuration for a given dive, Diving My Way. And for example, I would leave the keeper/can light and that two feet of extra hose on the table.

James

Ooops, I see it now!

The normal 7 foot/2.1m hose gives some flexibility in routing. The shorter 5 foot one I found to be too tight, exactly as per your photo, when diving in warm water on a single. As has been said, tuck it under a knife or battery. Alternatively tuck it under your waistbelt.

When diving with a longhose on sidemount the angle elbow on the necklaced backup makes it very simple to determine which hose is in your mouth should you need to donate -- if the elbow then disconnect the longhose from your chest D-ring to donate.

 

[Nemrod]

Ooops, I see it now!

The normal 7 foot/2.1m hose gives some flexibility in routing. The shorter 5 foot one I found to be too tight, exactly as per your photo, when diving in warm water on a single. As has been said, tuck it under a knife or battery. Alternatively tuck it under your waistbelt.

When diving with a Lon hose on sidemount the angle elbow on the necklaced backup makes it very simple to determine which hose is in your mouth should you need to donate -- if the elbow then disconnect the longhose from your chest D-ring to donate.

No worries mate, sometimes I get too intense, basically being a jackarse for no good purpose.

James