Streamlined OW Configuration vs. What?

[Nemrod]

This could be another 500 page long thread if not careful. But there is no reason that the octopus cannot be on a slip knot necklace which pops free easily and is always where it is expected to be and works just fine with a BP/wing. And there is no reason that sharing drills and switching to the octo during a safety stop cannot be done to ensure the regulator is always functional:



BP/wings will never replace jackets. Most new divers are not water people and they feel safe enscounced in their plush and padded jackets that are sold to them as safety "devices" and a lot of those jackets and back inflates or hybrids work just fine. This gentleman is very clean and streamlined and has excellent trim and was a very skilled diver. He uses a snorkel keeper which is the second best way to stow an octopus second, the best is on a necklace with a slip knot (an opinion):

 

[boulderjohn]

Where are you diving in Florida? You are more like to see what I guess we have now decided is a Florida Rig up coast WPB/Jupiter area.

I dive mostly in the Pompano Beach area.

 

[boulderjohn]

I own an AL and a SS backplate, and I have a variety of wings. To do the mixing and matching, I use a single tank adaptor (STA). A couple years ago, I was unpacking in Roatan in preparation for a two week trip and realized to my horror that I had left the STA at home. Search out the thread about it in the Roatan section, and you will find the efforts I went through to find something to use for my diving other than the rental Poodle jackets provided by CocoView and the Aggressor. No dice.

If a new diver is going to go to a resort area and rent equipment, it is probably 90% certain they will rent a jacket BCD.

 

[tep]

Interesting. I first ran into this rig style in San Diego, about 8 years ago. I have no doubt that it started in Florida, and like many good ideas, spread through the dive community.

 

[Eric Sedletzky]

Not just rental fleets but divers on boats. Although BP/W rigs are more common now amongst DMs here in Florida, many still have poodle jackets with the wackiest variety of bent hoses and keepers. That stuff looks super unprepared for real emergencies.

In a real emergency a couple of monkeys F’ing a football would probably look more organized than two divers trying to share air on a rental rig, especially when the octo (after it is finally found!) still has a few chunks of someone’s left over taco Tuesday special inspired to exit stage upwards via “too much tequila last night”.

 

[happy-diver]

Interesting. I first ran into this rig style in San Diego, about 8 years ago. I have no doubt that it started in Florida, and like many good ideas, spread through the dive community.

Interestingly with no internet no friends and in Melbourne Victoria Australia I was wearing it 25yrs ago
In order to remove my gear from the thick wetsuit and weight belt to wedge in crevices, to catch crays

Which I was never much patient or observant at

Like a real skindivers skindiver

So now back in that environment, and with no taking gear off any more gung ho remaining
it is one first stage with a hose allowing only free head movement to one second stage only

 

[Chrisk919]

Look at most rental fleets and tell me what you see?

I’m not disagreeing… that’s exactly what I saw last month as my son was getting certified.
The rental fleet was still all poodle jacket/long Octo. And I know those will last a long time.

I was more musing as to whether there might be a shift coming... but I guess that would require certification agencies to dictate/allow the change - and to your point that would invalidate the configuration of a lot of rental sets, which would be a burden on the LDS's to reconfigure [and might lose the training agency some market-share].

So I guess I've come back around to your view: no it's not going to happen any time soon.

 

[lexvil]

Manufacturers B/C’s are popular in rental fleets because they are very adjustable and fewer items fit more people. Occasional diver stick to what they know.

 

[boulderjohn]

but I guess that would require certification agencies to dictate/allow the change -

I don't know of any agency that requires jacket BCDs. PADI allows instruction in any BCD and any regulator/alternate air system.

 

[Eric Sedletzky]

I don't know of any agency that requires jacket BCDs. PADI allows any BCD and any regulator/alternate air system.

That’s exactly right.
Think about the Air 2 system, that’s basically a primary donate and the Air2 replaces the bungeed back up.
Where diver systems fail is when they don’t familiarize themselves with their buddies configuration before the dive.