Alec Pierce Scuba - Long Hose Good or Bad

[pauldw]

Pauldw, You seem to have changed your logo to a screen shot of Alec from the video?? Why?View attachment 549376
In a vertical orientation. As in not a horizontal dive orientation.

He's in a vertical orientation because he's in his shop standing in front of a camera that's almost certainly on a tripod. He does all his videos from a vertical orientation, as does virtually everyone in the world (except for porn producers, I suppose). Does this really have to be explained?

Edit: If he were in horizontal orientation, the top of his head would be to the camera, and the glare could blind the cameraman. So he's being thoughtful that way, I reckon.

I think that using this photo is a good reminder of how completely insane and dangerous it is to have the average diver kitted out in standard configuration. Hold it, that's not what this shows! What does it demonstrate?

 

[MichaelMc]

He's in a vertical orientation because he's in his shop standing in front of a camera ... Does this really have to be explained?

I think that using this photo is a good reminder of how completely insane and dangerous it is to have the average diver kitted out in standard configuration. Hold it, that's not what this shows! What does it demonstrate?

Do OOA's occur between divers standing around vertically in a dive shop?
Or in a horizontal orientation in a 3D environment?
Where being below and directly under is fairly rare.
You were saying what about the illustrative power of this photo?

 

[pauldw]

Sorry about the formatting glitch on that last post [now deleted]. I’m on my phone, and its browser doesn’t let me edit. In my experience, teachers in scuba classes teach standing up. In fact, I think that’s fairly common in education. There are a lot of pictures of people in gear in scuba manuals standing up. I think most folks assume that if someone is standing up showing something, and you know that in the water they’ll be horizontal, it’s not very difficult to make the mental transition in your head. It’s just easier for everyone. Should he have done all his videos laying flat? (Correct answer: no, that would’ve absurd.). I’m stupefied by the utter inanity of criticizing Alec for standing vertically.

And as it happens, many teams with an OOA emergency going on get vertical and stay that way to the surface. Not that this is at all relevant to the video.

 

[tursiops]

I wonder whether training my wife is a good idea.

Hardly ever a good idea!

 

[tursiops]

In my experience, teachers in scuba classes teach standing up.

If you mean while in the water and not at the surface, in my experience, this has NEVER happened. That is while I have been DMing, teaching, or watching classes from multiple dive shops in several states in various countries...except maybe Japan.....

 

[MichaelMc]

Hold it, that's not what this shows! What does it demonstrate?

I think that picture demonstrates that for this video Alec put the octo on the chest strap between the shoulder straps, while in prior videos showing octo's on BC's I've only seen him put it on the right D ring or on the pocket at the right hip. But those locations would not have been as good to made his point about how visible and right there it is. While aligned with his full front body directly visible to the viewer.

The BC+octo ones I found were:
- Scuba Tech Tips: A Hose Of A Different Colour - S02E05 (4:00 shop floor)
- Scuba Tech Tips: BCD Mounted Safe Second - S04E12
- Scuba Tech Tips: BCDs - Jacket Style vs Wings - S04E13 (7:00 hangs left D)
They're old and I'm sure I missed some.

 

[pauldw]

If you mean while in the water and not at the surface, in my experience, this has NEVER happened. That is while I have been DMing, teaching, or watching classes from multiple dive shops in several states in various countries...except maybe Japan.....

No, that's clearly not the context. The context is Alec Peirce in a dive shop in front of a camera. Just like teachers stand in front of people all over. No one said anything about someone "standing" in the water. That was just Jesus, one time. Actually read the post you're addressing--when it specifically speaks of what happens BEFORE getting in the water, it's not talking about something in the water. There sure is an incredible amount of straining at gnats to find something wrong with him (or with any posts suggesting that the carpers are out of control).

 

[rhwestfall]

The issue at hand isn't if the LH/BO is good or bad (as we say, dive, and let dive), but the fact that Alec completely misrepresents facts in the configuration, showing that he either knows nothing about it, or is choosing to mislead folks (and I don't know which is the truth). He is providing false information, and the kind of stuff that can be dangerous to the uneducated (his target audience). I have seen valid points presented in discussions by others that made me think, but here, it is not the case...

 

[shoredivr]

The problem with demonstrating only standing to teach, is that once in the water, students emulate their instructor and are often vertical in the water. Teaching skills to kneeling on the bottom reinforces the vertical orientation for performing all skills.

It’s a mind set. The student does what is shown. I sure did. Took a while to understand that kicking while vertical or on a 45 degree angle disturbed the silt when I was near the bottom.

And that horizontal meant less effort while diving.

And then fortunately for me the concept of trim and frog kicks started appearing in my awareness. But that was back in the early 2000s. None of this is new, or difficult.

 

[shoredivr]

No, that's clearly not the context. The context is Alec Peirce in a dive shop in front of a camera. Just like teachers stand in front of people all over. No one said anything about someone "standing" in the water. That was just Jesus, one time. Actually read the post you're addressing--when it specifically speaks of what happens BEFORE getting in the water, it's not talking about something in the water. There sure is an incredible amount of straining at gnats to find something wrong with him (or with any posts suggesting that the carpers are out of control).

And there you are over on his YouTube channel, cheering him on to teach something that is clearly not correct.