13 year old diver dies - Oahu, Hawaii
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BikerBecca
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Simply Scuba talked about it too.
Ready4Launch
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This incident happened in the days before I arrived to Oahu. I got here last week. I am here for about a month for work.
I found this article as the only recent follow-up from the major new outlets here.
Tour dive companies review safety protocols in wake of teen’s death in Maunalua Bay
As there was debate in the previous pages of this thread about "team members", this above article has the following quote, "The family’s attorney said the instructor and three divers surfaced without the teen." The article also says this occurred at Koko Crater, but I thought it was a different site. Not clear. I actually dove Koko Crater yesterday, and the surge was fair. It definitely caused the viz to be rather crappy. I don't know what the surrounding area of Koko Crater is like, but I imagine with that kind of action, a motionless body could be carried decently far from there in 15 minutes to get to 60'. I saw a max of 30', if I recall correctly.
I went out on Reef Pirates. The guys on that boat said that Island Divers was out the very next day after the accident like nothing had happened.
I hope more insight into what happened comes out of this.
I found this article as the only recent follow-up from the major new outlets here.
Tour dive companies review safety protocols in wake of teen’s death in Maunalua Bay
As there was debate in the previous pages of this thread about "team members", this above article has the following quote, "The family’s attorney said the instructor and three divers surfaced without the teen." The article also says this occurred at Koko Crater, but I thought it was a different site. Not clear. I actually dove Koko Crater yesterday, and the surge was fair. It definitely caused the viz to be rather crappy. I don't know what the surrounding area of Koko Crater is like, but I imagine with that kind of action, a motionless body could be carried decently far from there in 15 minutes to get to 60'. I saw a max of 30', if I recall correctly.
I went out on Reef Pirates. The guys on that boat said that Island Divers was out the very next day after the accident like nothing had happened.
I hope more insight into what happened comes out of this.
MichaelMc
Working toward Cenotes
If the shop has confined water available, are they supposed to still be using the skills on a line option?
From the quoted portion of the Padi 'skills-on-a-line' option, bolding mine:
This shop offers two discover options, that differ in the client's comfort, not in whether the shop had confined water accessible to it. (Bolding below mine)
a) Full day: shallow water start.
"""
This introductory discover scuba diving courses begins with confined water training in shallow water in the morning. Here you get a chance to work on dive skills with an instructor to be more confident for your two 45 minute instructor supervised ocean dives in the afternoon. ...
"""
b) Fish N' Dive: Comfortable in the water right to the boat skill on anchor line
"""
If you are comfortable in the water and just cannot wait to swim with the fish, you can jump right in with our one or two tank Fish N Dive Discover Scuba Experience. We teach you the few intro skills in this scuba diving training class like clearing your mask, recovering your regulator, and clearing your regulator right there on the anchor line before you descend for your first amazing instructor supervised 30 minute dive! ...
"""
Discover Scuba Diving Courses - Island Divers Hawaii
If they have the confined shallow water there, it seems it is not 'inaccessible'. So the Padi skills on a line option seems not applicable. *If* the quoted section above is representative of the Padi skills on line option.
From the quoted portion of the Padi 'skills-on-a-line' option, bolding mine:
This shop offers two discover options, that differ in the client's comfort, not in whether the shop had confined water accessible to it. (Bolding below mine)
a) Full day: shallow water start.
"""
This introductory discover scuba diving courses begins with confined water training in shallow water in the morning. Here you get a chance to work on dive skills with an instructor to be more confident for your two 45 minute instructor supervised ocean dives in the afternoon. ...
"""
b) Fish N' Dive: Comfortable in the water right to the boat skill on anchor line
"""
If you are comfortable in the water and just cannot wait to swim with the fish, you can jump right in with our one or two tank Fish N Dive Discover Scuba Experience. We teach you the few intro skills in this scuba diving training class like clearing your mask, recovering your regulator, and clearing your regulator right there on the anchor line before you descend for your first amazing instructor supervised 30 minute dive! ...
"""
Discover Scuba Diving Courses - Island Divers Hawaii
If they have the confined shallow water there, it seems it is not 'inaccessible'. So the Padi skills on a line option seems not applicable. *If* the quoted section above is representative of the Padi skills on line option.
LOL Are you an attorney, looking for some confirmation of your suspicions?
Then let me give you an answer: it depends on what you mean by inaccessible. Logistics, time, money, distance, all might for example make confined water inaccessible in that situation.
MichaelMc
Working toward Cenotes
No, I'm not an attorney. I am finishing up a decade of work at becoming a card carrying scientist, like our dad. Conclusions from evidence in hand and presented, by agreed rules, to withstand peer review. Now..., my sister and brother are attorneys. None of us with any relation to this case.Yes, definitions matter, and it depends.
Pretend scenario:
If you pick a) you go with Instructor Jim to the pool. If you pick b) you go with Instructor Sally to the boat. Confined water will be inaccessible from the boat.
Is that the definition of logistics in that situation? I have no bone here. Just that would seem off. *If* that were the scenario.
I'm still LOL. You are mired in hypothetical details. If Sally only has the time for the boat version, but Jim has all day, does that change your question?
Yes, definitions matter, and it depends.
Pretend scenario:
If you pick a) you go with Jim to the pool. If you pick b) you go with Sally to the boat. Confined water will be inaccessible from the boat.
Is that the definition of logistics in that situation? I have no bone here. Just that would seem off. If that were the scenario.
Dan
Contributor
Yes, definitions matter, and it depends..
Another words, a poker player?
MichaelMc
Working toward Cenotes
In my scenario Jim and Sally are instructors working for the shop. I think their availability is not a key issue.
The conditions for using the skills-on-a-line option seems a key issue. For which I do not have the rules.
Whether those rules fit a shop offering both confined and skills-on-line to two different customers on the same day based on just customer choice is the possible issue. *If* that fits this shop. It does appear to fit the offerings on the shop's web site.
But we need the rules. Which I do not have. Otherwise we are just speculating. But that seems an interesting point.
Sorry for confusing your post; I thought Jim and Sally were two different students.Does it make a difference?
Who is we? Why do "we need" the rules? Yes, you are just speculating.
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