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Very well. I don't think we disagree. A dive computer is a tool, an instrument. It doesn't replace your own judgment. It provides accurate data so you can make informed decisions. Much like the speedometer in your car...

-Charles
 
I use a Suunto Vytec DS with transmitter and still also have a brass and glass SPG attached (via a HP Miflex admittedly).

For me the wireless AI is a bonus for me, I don't fully depend on it (obviously as I still use an SPG for backup), but it works as intended. One of the "pros" is a supposedly more streamlined outfit, but that wasn't really one that drew me to get a wireless AI computer and as others have said, its a bit of a stretch really as a nicely tucked B&G SPG doesn't add any measurable drag.

There have been times where I didn't bother syncing the computer up before hitting the water and then had to rely on my SPG, but that's fine with me, they were dives where I knew the dive site and knew my air consumption rate anyway.

So what I'm saying is that it is a nice to have feature and is convenient to be able to see all your stats at a glance without having to move your arms in anyway.

As to the person who said too much information is displayed in the one spot, I think this is a case where you should actually have used the products that you are talking about before commenting as the amount of air left takes up only a small part of the display and in no way detracts from the other information displayed.
 
I don't think the problem is assimilating the info it's just that it's either smaller numbers or a larger display because of the additional info.

For an experienced diver it's usually NDL that comes before air issues anyway so AI is doing nothing in that case.

In any event it's better to not be relying on a computer for anything other than just reinforcement of what you already know. More or less like the speedometer in your car. No one thinks the speedometer is "life support equipment" or keeping them safe.

Actually, I kind of think of a speedometer as keeping me from getting tickets, which is safe in a way...but speedometers are horribly inaccurate, so I have a gps which calculates it to .01 miles per hour..and shows the speed limit and alarms if I go too fast.. hummm
 
Very well. I don't think we disagree. A dive computer is a tool, an instrument. It doesn't replace your own judgment. It provides accurate data so you can make informed decisions. Much like the speedometer in your car...

-Charles

Quiet, don't tell anyone, but I use a multigas computer and do repetetive diving using different gas mixtures during the dive...and let the computer sort it all out..as I don't know the dive spot before getting to the spot... one cannot do any preplanning, and being able to monitor all your gas mixtures on one computer is really handy.

As the smaller tanks are behind me, being able to see their tank pressure without having all sorts of gauges takes less time during the dive.
 
Actually, I kind of think of a speedometer as keeping me from getting tickets, which is safe in a way...but speedometers are horribly inaccurate, so I have a gps which calculates it to .01 miles per hour..and shows the speed limit and alarms if I go too fast.. hummm

I don't need a speedometer to tell me how fast my vehicle is moving. All I need to know is the RPM reading from the tachometer and since that I know what gearing is being ran on my motorcycle, with the RPM I can mentally calculate for the equivalence in speed.

What? You guys can't do mental calculation while riding/driving on the fly?
 
I have just purchased the VT3, while i am reading this extremely long winded document on how to use it. Can you tell me what i have to programme to go diving and which sequence i use. If i sit before going out to programme either for air or nitrox what is the sequence to get to put i the required %? Once i have completed my first dive i get out of the water how do i look at what i have just done to refer back to complete my PADI file and then from there start again for the next dive?
I was wondering if you are able to help me as i am finding the reading material very hard to follow.
 
I have just purchased the VT3, while i am reading this extremely long winded document on how to use it. Can you tell me what i have to programme to go diving and which sequence i use. If i sit before going out to programme either for air or nitrox what is the sequence to get to put i the required %? Once i have completed my first dive i get out of the water how do i look at what i have just done to refer back to complete my PADI file and then from there start again for the next dive?
I was wondering if you are able to help me as i am finding the reading material very hard to follow.

The operator's manuals for the dive computers make me laugh. They make it a lot harder than it needs to be, and it doesn't limit itself to Aeris/Oceanic either. The Sherwood Wisdom is probably the easiest computer to use and it has a book almost as thick.:rofl3:

First of all, it is preprogrammed and ready to go. You can jump in the water right now with it and it will turn itself on and start working.

What you program in are YOUR preferred settings for various alarms and factors. For example, I think that the turnaround pressure alarm is default at 1500-psi. If you want it to be at 1000-psi or 2000-psi then you can program that in. Or if you want to end up with 500-psi by the time you finished your safety stop and surfaced, then you can program that setting in - actually it came preset at 500-psi but you can crank it down or crank it up depending on how much gas you want in your tank at the end of the dive.

Default setting for ATA is 1.6 so if you were to want to crank that down, then you need to go to SET A and wade through the menu until you get to set your ATA. If 1.6 is good for you then leave it alone.

SET F is where you put in your O2 %.

How to get to SET A or SET F or SET whatever? Hold the buttons on the side of the computer and the right button down until the computer starts to cycle through the SET etc. You'll see SET A first and if you were to keep these two buttons pushed down, it will scroll through and come to SET F then you let the buttons go and put in your O2 %. Remember that this computer is capable of 3-gas mixes (3-separate tanks), so if you were to dive with only one tank then do the O2 % for the first tank and just punch through the next two tanks.

Then you'd come to the Default setting. Default is factory set at 50% O2 so that if you were to screw up and forgot to reset your O2 % for the next dives, the alarm will kick in when you're in shallow depth to help you from getting oxygen toxicity. You can either turn the default on or off. Most people turn it off.
 
have just purchased the VT3, while i am reading this extremely long winded document on how to use it. Can you tell me what i have to programme to go diving and which sequence i use.

Nick, please post this in the Oceanic forum here under "Equipment Manufacturers." It's a better place to put questions like this.

-Charles
 
Good day,
just back to the original issue: hoseless or not: there is one argument I haven't seen yet. Abroad (e.g. many places in Egypt and on some live-aboard boats) they do not accept the wireless indication for safety reasons and insist on a hose-finimeter.
Personally, I have the (older) Aladin Air Z Nitrox, which I like very much. All possible information in one glance. Normal situation: no disconnection or loss of signal. Rarely: short interruption of signal. If major interruptions occur, your transmitter battery is at the end of his life time (normal life span between 6-9 years, also depending on quantity of dives.)
But as a backup (I'm a bit of a back-up freak while diving, I normally carry two computers, 2 fins, and so on) I've also attached a small hose-finimeter, tucked away, for any major signal loss.
Sofar only necessary when I forgot the computer (yeah, that was before I started to double them).
Best wishes,
Vincent
 
What? You guys can't do mental calculation while riding/driving on the fly?

No, and neither can you. Nobody can calculate residual nitrogen, PP02, and O2 clock remaining on the fly with days of repetitive dives on multilevel profiles. It's way too much data. Sure you could do it if you had very accurate information about all of your previous dives for the week plus tables and time to do the analysis.

places in Egypt and on some live-aboard boats) they do not accept the wireless indication for safety reasons and insist on a hose-finimeter.

Vincent please provide a citation or link to this. I've researched liveaboards around the world and have never come across this.

-Charles
 

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