Will Air Integration in dive computers replace the SPG?

[CuzzA]

You cannot be serious about this. Are you telling me that were you live it took 20 years for wireless internet to catch on? You, as well as Stuart keep coming up with false analogies and fantasy problems that AI supposedly solves. Now it turns out you haven't even looked up how long AI has been around, even though I and other people have stated it in the thread over and over again. Are you just trolling?

The old POS Aladin Air X WIRELESS AI computer came out in the mid 90s. Please just use google before you make up new 'theories'. The Vytec came years later.

The crappy Air X does the exact same stuff the 'newer' once do. EXACTLY THE SAME functions and almost exaxtly the same size, there have not been any new features in the last 20 years and it has hardly gotten any cheaper.

Internet has gotten cheaper and better, TV sets have gotten cheaper and better, phones have gotten cheaper and better, tons of things have gotten cheaper and better. AI has not gotten any better, it's not cheaper, it's not smaller, no new functions, there is nothing.

Nope, I got that info from Suunto's website. And I never stated when it came out. I stated I thought I read it came out in 2004-2005. A simple reference to correct the date would have sufficed. Admittedly I have not been diving long enough to have first hand knowledge about when specific products were developed and there has been some confusion throughout this thread between wireless and non wireless AI. Apparently you missed my point about wireless internet and WAI.

Trolling? Look here dude, I created the freaking thread! I have continuously tried to keep this thread on track. (See post #1) You have provided nothing to the topic of this thread other than to state how stupid WAI is and your closed mind approach is that it never will offer anything to anyone and basically if you use it you're an idiot.

Despite the number of ways I've continued to site the benefits of WAI to my type of diving, apparently you are not reading. Here's another one I haven't mentioned. On a recent spearfishing trip I had my line get tangled through the damn SPG hose. Easy fix after unsnapping the SPG from my D-ring and untangling the mono. Would have never happened if I left the SPG on the boat. Could be really bad if the fish and shaft made their way through the loop that is created by the SPG hose. Unlikely? Maybe. Have spearfisherman died from getting wrapped up in their line shaft? Yep.

You know what... I'm not going to get baited into derailing this thread. If you have some suggestions or creative ideas about the future of WAI then please share. If you're just participating to tell everyone they shouldn't use WAI, start your own thread.

 

[scubadada]

AI does not have to replace the SPG, it only needs to be available to those who want it

 

[The Chairman]

Guys, how can you guys call AI an innovation or an advanedment when it has been around for 20 years?

I've been pretty careful about discussing wireless AI and not just AI.

In reality, I think wireless AI hasn't caught on as much because of all the Chicken Littles running around telling us "It's written in blood! It's written in blood!" It's a FUDDD situation that's self perpetuating. You get one Point of View Warrior spreading Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt, Deception and Distortion and they start multiplying. It's like N Florida Cave Politics.

 

[Bennno]

If you have some suggestions or creative ideas about the future of WAI then please share.

You asked whether or not AI will replace SPGs and I told you no. The Air X (WAI) was already out in 1995 (maybe even earlier). It had the exact same functions as the new ones. 21 year and not even a tiny improvement, nothing. Yet you keep ignoring this argument. If your SPG/hose is giving you problems than that is a skill/configuration issue.

 

[Diving Dubai]

That would be truly an innovation and a killer application, granted.

I don't think we're that far away from that.

My computer - an Eon Steel (there it is I've confessed), if using multiple transmitters you not only tell it the gas mix, but the tank size also.

No currently it will tell advise you if you have a better gas for that depth and suggest a change.

What it doesn't do at the moment is link all these tanks together. By that I mean for example. The Air time remaining is calculated on the gas pressure from the transmitter (or tank) selected) it's not taking into account of any other tanks. It knows they're there as if you scroll down the gas screen it shows each tank and its pressure.

So at the moment they haven't joined up all the dots yet. I assume the first part will be making a side mount option where it looks at both at the time. But I don't know as I don't work for Suunto and just give them feedback. But it's my guess that this can't be far away - it's probably there technology wise but needs an awful lot of validating before its released. Again a Wild ass guess on my part

 

[CuzzA]

....and for how long can you keep calling it an innovation?

1995 - 1st AI (Suunto Eon)
2001 - 1st WAI (Suunto Vyper)

It's now 2016...

I guess until someone comes up with a better idea.

Some wireless AIs can read multiple transmitters. I don't think this is what he had in mind, but they do exist.​

On my computer I can program 3 tanks. The gas mix for each tank, the volume of each tank and the rated pressure. So this gives some planning, but not as in depth as you tech guys would want. My computer will indicate on the screen when there is a better mix available for the depth and won't let me switch to an inappropriate mix.

So looking at the future of WAI and planning, perhaps there's a lot to build on.

 

[CuzzA]

I've been pretty careful about discussing wireless AI and not just AI.

In reality, I think wireless AI hasn't caught on as much because of all the Chicken Littles running around telling us "It's written in blood! It's written in blood!" It's a FUDDD situation that's self perpetuating. You get one Point of View Warrior spreading Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt, Deception and Distortion and they start multiplying. It's like N Florida Cave Politics.

I was told "DON'T DO IT, IT'LL KILL YOU!!!"

I did it.

 

[packrat12]

"Wireless" Air Integration was around 20 years ago? I thought I read somewhere it was first introduced around 2004-2005. Obviously any new technology is going to take some time to be adopted by other manufactures. Not to mention, prove its worth to those who didn't trust the technology and finally come down in price.

How long did it take for our internet connections to go from dial up to wifi? Quite some time despite a much higher demand for wireless internet compared to dive gear, which some would argue is nothing more than a hobby.

You are off by at least 10 years. the Uwatec Aladin Air X Nitrox was out in summer 1995 with a wireless transmitter. We are 20 years and counting. Yes it was a POS but it was out. Not sure if it was first or not.

 

[Diving Dubai]

My Oceanic does. I understand that some of the new Suuntos do as well.

My Eon Steel allows for 10 (I think) and while it knows the tank pressure of each, and will suggest a better mix, it doesn't view them as 1 cohesive unit (knowing you total gas time of all tanks combined for instance) But I'm sure its getting there

 

[CuzzA]

@packrat12 thanks. Like I said, I "thought" I read Suunto was the first. Andy mentioned 2001 - 1st WAI. On Suunto's website they state 2004 on the D9 was their first WAI? I don't know. It's irrelevant to the topic of this thread, because the tech has probably improved since then.